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Well run club? My arse!!!

Well run club? My arse!!!

nobleroman said:
Worst team of the last decade?

So we had a better team when Irvine took over 18+ months ago?

He has made it worse?

Sorry, I can't agree with that.

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Alright, I get you point, but I'd suggest its not much better. Simply having a decent manager who the fans back has our players playing again. Dont forget, pretty much the same team who were struggling last season were 7th the season before.
 
jaymo said:
the truth is, its somewhere in between.

The solid facts also are we are 20m in debt despite receiving a lot of high fee from players and staff transfers and arguably have our worst team of the last decade. That smacks of mismanagement.

But like you said, the other side is we have consistently comepted with teams we realistically have no right to compete with and 4 play off campaigns and 2 near misses with only one season even threatening relegation out of 9 in this division tells its own story.

So my own conclusion is, we are a decently run club, nothing more. a chairman who backs his managers as best he can, but has a hit and miss record of appointing managers, who gets a lot out of the money we do spend and has created an atmosphere were we can perform consistently well but also contributes to ultimate failure because with his constant excusing failure before we've even failed.


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It's not the old "lack of ambition" argument is it?! 😀

Come on! 😱 The club's run as a plc company. Books have to balance. Players have to be sold. You know that...

£20m debt is comparatively tiny compared to clubs (Southampton, Norwich) who've been in the Premiership, had parachute payments, had good gates, but still managed to fuck up and get relegated.

In comparison to that, Preston is a well-run club.😀
 
I Heard a rumour this morning but it's just a 'rumour' that Preston Have lined up a Bid for Southampton's Marek Saganowski, Irvine was really impressed with him when we played at southampton especially his goals! and we could get him on the cheap as they are basically in the shit!
 
Gobshite said:
It's not the old "lack of ambition" argument is it?! 😀

Come on! 😱 The club's run as a plc company. Books have to balance. Players have to be sold. You know that...

£20m debt is comparatively tiny compared to clubs (Southampton, Norwich) who've been in the Premiership, had parachute payments, had good gates, but still managed to fuck up and get relegated.

In comparison to that, Preston is a well-run club.😀
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I didnt even mention a lack of ambition? 😕

its probably an inserviceable level of debt for us if we didnt have Uncle Trev to bail us out with gifts or soft loans.

I have no issues with selling players to balance the books, but if we are selling good players, not really reinvesting in the playing squad and still not balancing the books particularly well then you have to look and ask seriously, where is this money going.

Of course a massive chunk has recently gone on trying to sort the simpson debacle. An debacle that Degsy is hardly blameless in.
 
shaky said:
In other words, stuck in the house watching TV until you can escape to the match at weekends and have a few pints, you're only other escape is to fuck off out on your bike.

Corrie good last night was it? 😱

I have thousands of posts, almost entirely weekdays from 6am to 4pm, after that I am too busy getting on with my boring life. Come November when I have finished gambling all over the lake district and on return from my latest holiday, I'll resume being entertained or not as the case may be by PNE at weekends.

Overlooking Ennerdale last night, tonight I'll be at Rosthwaite in the Borrowdale valley, heard a cuckoo there last week, they seem to be getting rarer, will probably find time for a pint in the riverside bar.

Wonder what's on the TV for you, Eastenders tonight is it? 🙄
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Hi Danny 🙄

You that firmly embedded in his arse you reply to posts for him? 😛
 
Sorry Jaymo, I thought your original comment...

jaymo said:
...but also contributes to ultimate failure because with his constant excusing failure before we've even failed.[/thread]
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...was a perception of a lack of ambition.


jaymo said:
I have no issues with selling players to balance the books, but if we are selling good players, not really reinvesting in the playing squad and still not balancing the books particularly well then you have to look and ask seriously, where is this money going.QUOTE]

Last season we brought in Wallace and Nolan - both quality players that will command a higher free if sold. We then have St Ledger, Billy Jones, Chaplow (when fit) and (at a push as I've seen him play) Trotman.

I personally don't think we do bad in reinvesting in players.

One thing to think about though: one of the main reasons why we've attracted our fair share of decent players isn't due to paying decent wages. It's about 'selling' the club to them, including the lure of successive, decent, solid managers (again, par Simpson) and a squad that competes there, or thereabouts, in an ultra-competitive league.

In short: a well-run club. 😀
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carlins_leap said:
Hi Danny 🙄

You that firmly embedded in his arse you reply to posts for him? 😛
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I don't see how my lifestyle reflects on Dannys at all.

The guy was bragging about his fulfilling life suggesting that those of us who post a lot on here during working hours don't, it may be fulfilling to him, it looks like tedium to me.
 
Tricky_Dicky said:
I Heard a rumour this morning but it's just a 'rumour' that Preston Have lined up a Bid for Southampton's Marek Saganowski, Irvine was really impressed with him when we played at southampton especially his goals! and we could get him on the cheap as they are basically in the shit!
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With the Irvine to Reading, McKenna to Forest, Holdsworth agreed and announced ASAP - last month... you're on a roll. I know Tom knew some 'people' but I'm now not too sure...

unless Saganowski is your idea of the experienced striker we are signing and had to release 5 players for?

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Gobshite said:
Sorry Jaymo, I thought your original comment...



...was a perception of a lack of ambition.


jaymo said:
I have no issues with selling players to balance the books, but if we are selling good players, not really reinvesting in the playing squad and still not balancing the books particularly well then you have to look and ask seriously, where is this money going.
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Last season we brought in Wallace and Nolan - both quality players that will command a higher free if sold. We then have St Ledger, Billy Jones, Chaplow (when fit) and (at a push as I've seen him play) Trotman.

I personally don't think we do bad in reinvesting in players.

One thing to think about though: one of the main reasons why we've attracted our fair share of decent players isn't due to paying decent wages. It's about 'selling' the club to them, including the lure of successive, decent, solid managers (again, par Simpson) and a squad that competes there, or thereabouts, in an ultra-competitive league.

In short: a well-run club. 😀
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all good points, and nothing I can really disagree with, though to clarify

Firstly. I dont for one second think that DS doesnt want us to be in the prem, theres no reason not too, butI do firmly believe that his and the rest of the clubs, propensity to excuse and accept failure before we've even failed has been a big contributory factor as to why we cant ever make the last step. Not really an ambition thing, just a msiguided way of trying to manage expectations.

Seondly, I never said we dont reinvest in the playing squad, jsut that with us being in such heavy debt you would imagine that the majority of the transfer fees in go towards playing squad, they arent! and the debt is simply the amalgamation of various running costs and shortfalls. Also a couple of the players you quote werent actually paid for by transfer fees reportedly, more by getting in soft loans from TH (chaplow and trotman). Having to be bailed out by Uncle trev isnt the sign of a particularly well run club.


Also, im not saying we are badly run, just that we arent as well run as some would like you to believe, the proof is in the accounts.
 
shaky said:
"Used to be a great read"?

Of course it did, before all this stupid over moderation started. Moderators were originally brought in to ensure there was nothing racist, libelous or generally illegal. Now we have people seeing themselves on a moral crusade trying to drag the forum down to Shinnys level and cry babies bleating to them every time they see something they don't like.

Have a look at Shinnys forum, you might then realise that the widely differing views are what makes this forum entertaining, instead of everybody pissing in the same blind faith pot as they are over there, that's why they're lucky to get three posts a day. How many times can you say everybody and everything at the club are fucking fantastic for Christs sake? 😱
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Why have you got a bee in your bonnet over my forum shaky ? ive never had a problem with you in the past and as for blind faith with me you know thats shit , i was calling for browns head , simpsons head just as soon as you were on both forums so were is your winge coming from ? . no one is more outspoken than me when it comes to whats wrong with the club , if its forum wars you want for numbers we cant compete so online wins every time whats the point in these childish digs mate ?.
 
jaymo said:
Also, im not saying we are badly run, just that we arent as well run as some would like you to believe, the proof is in the accounts.
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We're run slightly better than average, which is why we regularly (oh shit, cliché time) punch above our weight. On a scale of 1 - 10, we're probably a 6 or 7, with 5 being average. And that's why we haven't been relegated for 16 seasons, but seem unable to make the jump up to the Prem.
 
dirk the pnemouse said:
Why have you got a bee in your bonnet over my forum shaky ? ive never had a problem with you in the past and as for blind faith with me you know thats shit , i was calling for browns head , simpsons head just as soon as you were on both forums so were is your winge coming from ? . no one is more outspoken than me when it comes to whats wrong with the club , if its forum wars you want for numbers we cant compete so online wins every time whats the point in these childish digs mate ?.
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I don't have a bee in my bonnet,I'm just telling it how it is. I use the forum occasionally myself as you know, but it simply doesn't compete with this one, that is until Window Licker drags this one the same way.
 
dirk the pnemouse said:
Why have you got a bee in your bonnet over my forum shaky ? ive never had a problem with you in the past and as for blind faith with me you know thats shit , i was calling for browns head , simpsons head just as soon as you were on both forums so were is your winge coming from ? . no one is more outspoken than me when it comes to whats wrong with the club , if its forum wars you want for numbers we cant compete so online wins every time whats the point in these childish digs mate ?.
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Challenge me in the arcade. I need competition.
 
shaky said:
I don't have a bee in my bonnet,I'm just telling it how it is. I use the forum occasionally myself as you know, but it simply doesn't compete with this one, that is until Window Licker drags this one the same way.
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What's the address for the Forum? - I haven't been on it.
 
Tark said:
We're run slightly better than average, which is why we regularly (oh shit, cliché time) punch above our weight. On a scale of 1 - 10, we're probably a 6 or 7, with 5 being average. And that's why we haven't been relegated for 16 seasons, but seem unable to make the jump up to the Prem.
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pretty much exactly my point tark.
 
shaky said:
I don't have a bee in my bonnet,I'm just telling it how it is. I use the forum occasionally myself as you know, but it simply doesn't compete with this one, that is until Window Licker drags this one the same way.
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I am the first to admit we cant compete for numbers mate but then i was never interested in being the biggest forum , i think both forums offer much of interest and at the end of the day there both fantastic in the way there put together and were all nobbers arnt we ?. there not a local team who can boast such quality forums mate .
 
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