Agree even that tiny club down the road called Blackpool made it into the prem.This whole 'small club' nonsense is self-perpetuating BS - there's loads of 'smaller' clubs than us with an ounce of ambition who have been in the premier league.
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Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
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As fans we are not naive enough to think we should be challenging for promotion every season but the money that we do spend is on shite and completely wasteful.Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
Quick question, have you attended Deepdale for the last year? Performances on the whole have been fucking dreadful. 1 goal in 8 games? I think you're the one taking the piss settling for stats like that. We offer absolutely nothing going forward and the way we have played for the best part of a year or more has sent a large proportion of our support base questioning their actual attendance.
Granted, the Hemmings do put a lot of money into the club, but let's get real here. They could and should be a hell of a lot more savvy with that Injection. And that's not even addressing the big elephant in the room. This club presents a an attractive tax haven for their other ventures.
Risdale out.... I won't spout too much about him. What I think has already been said by the OP. But for this club to progress he has to go.
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After the events of today and several arguments over social media (urgggh!) I feel compelled to post/start a new thread which is rare for me - don't think it fits in anywhere else as it covers a few things.
Ryan Lowe.
It comes as no surprise that I'm not his biggest fan to say the least. His reign started off pretty well to be fair and at first the football was quite entertaining - it seemed quite refreshing. However, over the past 18 months or so, it has soured very badly, even to the extent where I don't think any managerial reign has soured to this extent.
I've been most vocal of my criticism of him - the dreadful standard of football, sticking rigidly to the same system, inability to admit he was wrong, crap spouted off to the press/press conferences, general attitude (slumped in the seat at Burnley being one), rumoured fallouts with players including our captain with 400+ appearances... I could go on. It came to the point, certainly for me, that he was becoming insufferable. Obviously, I've ripped into him several times on here whether that's vocal criticism or piss-taking with one of my memes. These are of course not to everyone's taste - humour is subjective of course, but I honestly don't give a toss. I was accused of bullying - if some people think that then so be it.
I honestly don't regret a single bit of what I've said - I honestly just think the bloke's a prat with an ego as big as his head. At one point I genuinely thought he had changed - more fool me as he soon reverted to type.
I certainly didn't like Westley but even he had a use to an extent but I admit I don't think I disliked him as much as Lowe (controversial, I know).
Strictly on a football front, he showed himself to be one-dimensional and showed a reluctance to change, hence his shoe-horning of players into certain positions.
Peter Ridsdale/The 'trust'/Hemmings Family
Laughable that this guy is still at the club. Have we made any progress during his time here, bar the play-off win which was NINE years ago?! Again, I've made no secret of my dislike for Peter both personally and from a North End fan perspective.
Peter likes to bang on about the ongoing support from the trust/Hemmings family - now I'm grateful for their ongoing support but there just seems to be no desire to grow the club and move it forward. All the ambition seems to be is to 'keep the club going' and that's about it. I'm sorry but that's just not good enough - this is a competitive sport and there should always be a desire to be the best, no matter how difficult the path may be and not just settling for mediocrity whilst pedalling the same old excuses.
Peter has a proven track record of failure - you only have to look at the long list of failed managers under his tenure although to be fair, I think it can be argued one manager (Neil, even though I don't like him) had the life beaten out of him with lack of support etc. Not to mention a trail of piss poor transfer decisions, best players leaving for peanuts/nothing.
It's time for the trust/Hemmings family to wake the fuck up - get shut of this old dinosaur and formulate a clear plan for moving the club forward. If it means introducing a concept where we bring players in for small/smallish fees, develop them, sell them on for decent money in order to build ourselves up, fine (so long as we are entertained and not bored to within an inch of our lives along the way!).
Me? Well I admit I'm one of the biggest complainers on the forum. Why? Because I don't think we should settle for and accept mediocrity like a certain demographic on a certain social media site. We need to strive to do better. In the past 15 years or so, we've been bypassed by Luton, Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford to name a few. Hell, even the lashers had their day in the sun. It's pretty depressing.
Overall, I'm still not happy with the direction the club is taking - we simply can't afford to keep sitting back and aiming for midtable. There's only so long you can flap around for before you eventually drop.
Anyway, there's my thoughts so pick apart at will! 😉
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It's absolutely ridiculous that the Hemmings' are seemingly willing to trust Peter Liar with the recruitment of another manager; he's failed in this regard every time.
With him at the helm, nothing changes - why can't people see that?! It's mission accomplished for Old Peter with Lowe going taking the heat off him (again) amongst the majority of fans, who are only interested in who the manager is (running a football club successfully goes a lot deeper than that).
Someone with high level communication and man management skills is required; PR doesn't know how to identify these as his previous appointments prove.
With him at the helm, nothing changes - why can't people see that?! It's mission accomplished for Old Peter with Lowe going taking the heat off him (again) amongst the majority of fans, who are only interested in who the manager is (running a football club successfully goes a lot deeper than that).
Someone with high level communication and man management skills is required; PR doesn't know how to identify these as his previous appointments prove.
Agreed. You know my feelings when it comes to Ridsdale - he has a proven track record of failure and universally despised at all his previous clubs.It's absolutely ridiculous that the Hemmings' are seemingly willing to trust Peter Liar with the recruitment of another manager; he's failed in this regard every time.
With him at the helm, nothing changes - why can't people see that?! It's mission accomplished for Old Peter with Lowe going taking the heat off him (again) amongst the majority of fans, who are only interested in who the manager is (running a football club successfully goes a lot deeper than that).
Someone with high level communication and man management skills is required; PR doesn't know how to identify these as his previous appointments prove.
Seems to get off scot free here but at least some of us are wise to his bullshit.
His solution to improving things at the club is to just outsource everything and the measure of that 'success' can be debated.
Sadly, I feel he's got his feet too far under the table.
This has got to be up there with one of the biggest "load of shite" posts this forum has seen for a while.Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
The fact that you are attacking a fan for wanting better for the club would suggest that you aren't an actual fan, not the other way round.
The turnover argument isn't one to attack other fans with, it's one to attack the hierarchy with. Most clubs who lack attendance revenue, make up for it through player trading - something our Pete seems to struggle with. Hull for example have just picked up Millar for a bargain 1.5mill. if he has a good season or two he will likely go for 10+. These are the transfers we should be making. But instead we sign players who don't fit our system then either pay them up or release them at the end of their deals because it hasn't worked out. That's not the fans fault, that's the management's fault.
With regards to the rest it's been picked apart by enough people that I don't need to do it again. But I would highly recommend that you pull your head out of the sand and give it a bloody good wobble.
So, do you and Andyg still believe I'M the problem?Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
I noticed you soon scuttled off after this post. Tit.
it was inevitable that an assistant manager would play the same style and so would the players.
We need a new manager with new ideas. Ryan Lowe when he first came it was all about attacking football and closing down the opposition but for some reason it all stopped the mid field and defence dropped so deep we could never be in there half. I think there must be a penalty clause for being in the opposition half. We don’t close teams down we just back off. Obviously the attacking coach is not listening to the defensive coach or to the manger. The players do not seem to know what they are meant to be doing. Wing backs so much talk about them. Potts hardly ever passes the ball forward or takes a man on. Brady just lumps it forward he never takes a player on. We have some reasonable players but we are expecting them to play in positions their not comfortable with. Do the managers ever discuss tactics with the team or expect them to implement their ideas on the day.
When l heard that they had been talking tactics all week to stop their wingers What a load of crap. Is that all they do is talk about stopping the other team. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to discuss away to win not to lose.
It’s not going to be easy for a new manager another new style to implement. There has been a lot of talk about the young players why don’t we play them all this bullshit from Lowe that they are delicate and must not push them to hard if they are good enough they should be playing.
I have said my piece when l played every player knew what they were doing and what was expected of them
A centre forward who could head the ball defender who headed the ball to a team mate not just any where players who would pass the ball and run on for a return ball not just pass job done. It’s sad but the coffin looks like it may go lower.
We need a new manager with new ideas. Ryan Lowe when he first came it was all about attacking football and closing down the opposition but for some reason it all stopped the mid field and defence dropped so deep we could never be in there half. I think there must be a penalty clause for being in the opposition half. We don’t close teams down we just back off. Obviously the attacking coach is not listening to the defensive coach or to the manger. The players do not seem to know what they are meant to be doing. Wing backs so much talk about them. Potts hardly ever passes the ball forward or takes a man on. Brady just lumps it forward he never takes a player on. We have some reasonable players but we are expecting them to play in positions their not comfortable with. Do the managers ever discuss tactics with the team or expect them to implement their ideas on the day.
When l heard that they had been talking tactics all week to stop their wingers What a load of crap. Is that all they do is talk about stopping the other team. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to discuss away to win not to lose.
It’s not going to be easy for a new manager another new style to implement. There has been a lot of talk about the young players why don’t we play them all this bullshit from Lowe that they are delicate and must not push them to hard if they are good enough they should be playing.
I have said my piece when l played every player knew what they were doing and what was expected of them
A centre forward who could head the ball defender who headed the ball to a team mate not just any where players who would pass the ball and run on for a return ball not just pass job done. It’s sad but the coffin looks like it may go lower.
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I started reading this and felt like squirting acid into my eyes - how anyone can be happy about the owners/director (or whatever he is this week) management and players over the last season is beyond me!Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
Fans ask for honesty, ambition and passion - we don't get any of that, the original post was spot on! I'd settle for mediocrity if clubs far smaller than us with limited funds hadn't got to the PL before us - with the right manager we'd have been in the playoffs for 3 out of the last 4 seasons, I genuinely believe that.
The worrying thing for me is Neil did the same and so did Grayson.it was inevitable that an assistant manager would play the same style and so would the players.
We need a new manager with new ideas. Ryan Lowe when he first came it was all about attacking football and closing down the opposition but for some reason it all stopped the mid field and defence dropped so deep we could never be in there half. I think there must be a penalty clause for being in the opposition half. We don’t close teams down we just back off. Obviously the attacking coach is not listening to the defensive coach or to the manger. The players do not seem to know what they are meant to be doing. Wing backs so much talk about them. Potts hardly ever passes the ball forward or takes a man on. Brady just lumps it forward he never takes a player on. We have some reasonable players but we are expecting them to play in positions their not comfortable with. Do the managers ever discuss tactics with the team or expect them to implement their ideas on the day.
When l heard that they had been talking tactics all week to stop their wingers What a load of crap. Is that all they do is talk about stopping the other team. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to discuss away to win not to lose.
It’s not going to be easy for a new manager another new style to implement. There has been a lot of talk about the young players why don’t we play them all this bullshit from Lowe that they are delicate and must not push them to hard if they are good enough they should be playing.
I have said my piece when l played every player knew what they were doing and what was expected of them
A centre forward who could head the ball defender who headed the ball to a team mate not just any where players who would pass the ball and run on for a return ball not just pass job done. It’s sad but the coffin looks like it may go lower.
One up front.
Sit back.
Let the other team have all the possession.
Hope for a lucky break or a set piece.
Play every game as though expecting to get beat.
Same old same old. No ambition from the club, none at all.
Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
Wow…bit of a shocking take on the OP’s perfectly reasonable and thorough point of view. You must be so engrained into the Hemmings/Ridsdale way of thinking that it’s almost like listening to a North Korean defend Kim Jong-Un.
You compare us to Stockport/Bury etc. - but neither of those have been close to achieving a promotion to the Premier League, we have been 90 minutes away and have achieved top 10/close to top 6 on a number of occasions, so if run properly, there is a chance we could do it.
It’s not about the ‘prestige’ of simply being in the Prem - it’s what can potentially come with it, a season of great financial benefit to the club and hopefully a spring board to bring the club up to a better standard (see Burnley and currently Sheff U as examples of that).
We would also like to see some actual football being played at Deepdale and some sort of structure/plan from our leadership - for which there is none at the minute.
So really, the ‘problem’ lies with the owner and Ridsdale - but if you’re going to point at fans, then maybe you should look at yourself. Fans that are happy with what is mediocrity, when we can do better and fans that are happy to watch our club be run poorly and into the ground have no right knocking those that have some ambition and want to see the club moving in the right direction.
Still think I'm the problem pal?Sadly "you" are the problem!
"settling for mediocrity" im not too sure how long you have been a North End fan but if you think being in the top 30 clubs in England as being mediocre it probably best you find another club to follow as lets be honest your entitled diatribe is embarrassing, im guessing your mummy never told you "no", which if she had, it may have taught you manners and realistic expectations.
Lowe had to go, he'd lost the fans in the main due to his bad interviews that came across arrogant and self serving, coupled with some poor football but primarily due to the vocal bullies that purport to be "fan's" spouting their personal idiotic rhetoric against a guy trying his best- he wasnt good enough but some of the personal sh1te aimed at him is pretty disgusting. Im guessing you were also one of those cheering the fist pumps early doors too.
He tried, he failed, he admitted it and moved on, any normal adult would wish him the best...
If you had ended your post with just the Lowe comments i wouldn't have felt the need to answer your "look at me" thread! but to then take issue with the Hemmings group banging in £12 mil per year and quote a few clubs that have had some success as why we are failing is just embarrassing!
Im assuming that you have won at "football manager" and "FIFA 22" beating a multitude of 7 year olds, giving you a fine incite into the footballing world of owning a club?
North End are a small championship club, bottom 3 or 4 attendances, we have a turn over of around £7mil without the TV money, most football fans out side the elite just want to see players giving 100% and if a bit of success comes along, we enjoy it! We dont follow North End for the success, its part of us, my honest advice is go buy a City shirt, or maybe have a chat with an Accrington fan, a Rochdale fan, an Oldham fan, a Stockport fan, a Bury fan, ....... ask them what an actual fan is?
Fucking idiot.