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If that's the case and it's North West Counties Division One South then it's the same league as Maine Road and Stockport Town Level 10. There's no way the majority of those grounds could manage a potential away support from Bury - 2,000-3,000 for some of the local games.

If they're admitted to the Premier League - Level 9 - it's Longridge Town and Charnock Richard - the potential for aggro would leave the police advising for many games to be played at larger stadiums.

I think the Chester club that took over when Chester City collapsed were initially put at level 9, but on appeal entered at Level 8, which is now the Northern Premier League, Div 1 North West. This league contains the likes of Clitheroe, Workington (amazingly another ex Football League club) as well as Ramsbottom Utd - which would be a tasty derby for Bury.
 
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I think the Chester club that took over when Chester City collapsed were initially put at level 9, but on appeal entered at Level 8, which is now the Northern Premier League, Div 1 North West. This league contains the likes of Clitheroe, Workington (amazingly another ex Football League club) as well as Ramsbottom Utd - which would be a tasty derby for Bury.

My understanding, although I could be wrong and the circumstances could change, is that Bury FC hasn't gone bust - it's still the same club - whereas all the other clubs who've ended up down in the 9th, 10th or 11th tier have gone bust and therefore play under a slightly different name. Therefore they might be in a similar position to Stockport County who never went bust but were relegated to the National League North because of ownership issues.
 
My understanding, although I could be wrong and the circumstances could change, is that Bury FC hasn't gone bust - it's still the same club - whereas all the other clubs who've ended up down in the 9th, 10th or 11th tier have gone bust and therefore play under a slightly different name. Therefore they might be in a similar position to Stockport County who never went bust but were relegated to the National League North because of ownership issues.

Stockport were relegated to the Conference Premier, as I think the National League was then, in 2010/11, as they finished bottom of League 2. They were then relegated to the National League North in 2012/13 as they finished in the relegation places.

As for Bury, it's difficult to see how the limited company can avoid being liquidated. There seems no way the club could service the huge mortgage on the ground (£2m?) so presumably the mortgage company will sell it in an attempt to recover at least some of the debt.
 
not quite sure how I take the "salford" offer towards bury fans , machiavellian or a kind gesture
 
To All,

Firstly apologies that my efforts to save Bury from the decimation that I inherited from the previous owners have not been enough to date, after the CVA I thought we had a great future little did I realise the governing body allegedly there to help our Clubs would be our greatest threat but rest assured that issue is not over by a long shot


POSITIVES

I know it hurts but let’s be a glass half full here and start the fight from that point;

  1. All realise Bury FC is still here it’s been removed from the league for this season only as per the Solicitors letter I received yesterday after asking them was anybody going to write to me formally to advise that they had removed us from the league, one would have thought that would have been done immediately if they were indeed a professional body?

  2. I am in talks with the Bridging Loan Company who have a charge on our Stadium that the previous owner took out, whilst it’s a huge amount the Company is working with me to allow a 2 year holiday on capital repayment and we are agreeing on a sensible interest rate, I thank them for working with us, so Gigg will be safe.

  3. CVA, the removal from the league and its financial implications has a huge effect on this however if you want me to stay I will do all I can in whatever way I can because if this gets finalised we have no threats to our Club and were safe to fight another day.

  4. The EFL monies held over £600k should be paid to our football creditors reducing our CVA but who knows with the EFL’s agenda.

  5. There are some good people and some former Directors who left because of the previous owners who have understood what I had to do was needed and have offered help, if I stay I will be definitely calling on them
NEGATIVES

  1. We need to address the ill truths/spin put out by Debbie Jevans as we can prove 100% that her words to media and statements put out portrayed a totally different picture to reality, they work on spin/miss direction, try to discredit the owner to take the passionate fans and heat away from them the real culprits, with little care how these ill truths affect the owners and their families.

  2. I keep hearing Mrs. Jevans saying how they are there to help, the only help I ever had from the EFL was Shaun Harvey who advised on the CVA and got a payment sent to us, the last we ever had from them, as for help and support non-existent, threats plenty, help Nil
  1. We have our academy monies monthly but for some reason in closed season they do not pay out but give 3 payments at the end of August, we have managed to pay the Academy people previously but due to this devastation by the EFL we were reliant on today’s payment to pay Staff and guess what the EPPP have withheld payment even though it was for previous months prior removal from the league, makes you wonder as I’m advised they occupy the same offices as the EFL? Common theme don’t you think in screwing Bury we will be passing to our Lawyers.

  2. I am hopeful that the Serious Fraud investigation will see the perpetrators brought to justice soon and disclosures can be made, this will allow fans to see what really was going on behind the scenes that seriously added to our current situation.

  3. The investigation uncovered Reporters and Media outlets who through certain individuals at the club were receiving private and confidential information about the club, very News of the World, but they too will be exposed.

  4. We need to clear out and start again, time and events have shown we have a handful of trustworthy Staff who care for Bury but the rest need to go it’s time for a change, new blood.

  5. Buyers: James Frith brought Sporting Risk to the table I was hopeful that they could buy Bury but they would never provide proof of funds to me, just kept requesting more information one of the first I gave them was on the Stadium loan so it came as a shock they pulled out at the last minute for a debt they had known about for months. Another bid came in and, once again I have never seen proof of funds or heard from them since. We also had a handful of timewasters but nothing concrete
I can confirm I have an offer from an individual, however, the NDA prevents me from disclosing and if the Fans want me out I will sell to him.

EFL

Well, there’s a story to tell but as we're coming up to page 3 so we will save the full story for another day, but ask yourselves this.

The biggest even in the league's recent history was decided by a couple of people who have shown there dislike for Bury by;

  1. Withholding all monies due to the Club since early this year starving it for cash on the back of we owe Clubs what they don’t take into account/say is that Clubs owed us a similar amount.

  2. I went to the EFL once I found out the level of problems in the Club when I first came, Shaun Harvey said to try to keep it going Steve as we have Bolton and Blackpool, I said I felt the only possibility was a CVA but that would cost me a fortune and we would get points. I was advised whilst we would initially get points we could appeal under a clause “Force majeure” as the actions of the previous owner meant this was a slam dunk. We sent our appeal in and got no initial reply then got a, under the circumstances you’re not applicable email, how would they know without the evidence, then a few days later got an aggressive Lawyers letter saying your out of time and you had to pay £5000 to appeal, which I was not aware of, but contrary to what they say we appealed in time and we have a 100% watertight case.

  3. At a meeting with Craig and Jevans he boasted that nobody has ever won an appeal as this was some badge of honour, I thought it was about truth.

  4. When we were on a conference call early after the CVA we explained you never know we could go up other Clubs have, the reply “not when we give you 12 points” again a common theme.
  5. Embargo on players signing, when we asked could that be lifted before the transfer window shut, Mrs Jevans replied “when is that” and latterly “can’t you play your youth”
There are others but you get my point.

As stated the biggest event in the recent league history was decided by the biased few, Jevans keeps saying we act for 72 Clubs, so given the magnitude of their actions would you not think a sealed private ballot would be taken from all the Clubs so there could be no retribution from the league, something I was warned of when I came, the Chairmen I have spoken to would not have backed removal as tomorrow it could be them given the shambles the league and its Clubs are in.

I request an independent report is carried out and a ballot taken to reintroduce Bury to the league

Yours sincerely

Steven D Dale
Chairman Bury FC

 
Blimey strong words.

Yes and a lot of it not worth the paper its written on. I'm sure in one of the articles i read a couple of weeks ago he was praising Debbie Jevans for her help and support. Feels to me he's trying to deflect blame whilst the focus is on the EFL...
 
Blimey strong words.

Not like he’s going to come out and say ‘yes I am a complete bellend, and it is my stupidity that has led to the downfall of a proud football league club.’

EFL’s hands ain’t clean, but they didn’t make Bury pay stupid wages for players
 
Bury have overspent for years and years, they were paying players in League 2 £8k a week just last season. They’ve had the buckets out at the club several times over the last 20 years but continually ignored the fact they were living beyond their means.

They had no money and bought players off clubs that wanted to keep them and were outbidding other clubs on fees and wages. They’ve been a ridiculously run club for absolutely ages and their overspending won them promotion last year over clubs who live within their means.

I didn’t want them to go bust but I absolutely will not lose any sleep over it and have zero sympathy with the club or the fans who lauded it over other supporters when they were winning promotions and paying extortionate wages for their level.

Anyone who believes the Premier League or United/City or Gary Neville should have helped them out is quite frankly an idiot. What kind of example does that set? Spend whatever you want it doesn’t matter cos your local premier league team will just bail you out?

Steve Dale is a total cunt there is no question about that but the reason this has happened has been building up for a couple of decades, he’s just hammered the final few nails in the coffin.
 
Bury have overspent for years and years, they were paying players in League 2 £8k a week just last season. They’ve had the buckets out at the club several times over the last 20 years but continually ignored the fact they were living beyond their means.

They had no money and bought players off clubs that wanted to keep them and were outbidding other clubs on fees and wages. They’ve been a ridiculously run club for absolutely ages and their overspending won them promotion last year over clubs who live within their means.

I didn’t want them to go bust but I absolutely will not lose any sleep over it and have zero sympathy with the club or the fans who lauded it over other supporters when they were winning promotions and paying extortionate wages for their level.

Anyone who believes the Premier League or United/City or Gary Neville should have helped them out is quite frankly an idiot. What kind of example does that set? Spend whatever you want it doesn’t matter cos your local premier league team will just bail you out?

Steve Dale is a total cunt there is no question about that but the reason this has happened has been building up for a couple of decades, he’s just hammered the final few nails in the coffin.


You're describing a multitude of clubs there and ignoring the fact that others have done the same 10/100 fold but are still in business....
 
@BenPearsonIsGod

I read an interview - I'll try and find it - a few days ago where Ryan Lowe said that it simply wasn't true that players were on the rumoured £8k - £9kpw although he did say that some were paid well. I am guessing nearer £5kpw. Think the average L2 wage is around £1500pw.

I still think that there is lot lot more unsavoury stuff yet to emerge both from Bury AND the EFL who have made themselves look like a ragtag put together amateur production.

Interview here.

 
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