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Ched Evans

Thracia said:
Like winning the penalty that led to our only goal today, after a lot of huffing and puffing and missing from Evans - "contributing to other aspects" like that?
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Evans won the penalty away at Coventry last season, when we won 1-0.
 
Pne30 said:
Limited contribution in other aspects…
If he doesn’t score and then doesn’t contribute to other aspects it leave him open to criticism.
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Much as I'd love to stay and chat, how about you pick a day when Riis didn't just win us the penalty that produced our only goal, and Evans didn't once again have zero effect on our goal tally, but pleased fans of huffing and puffing and moaning at the ref.
 
Thracia said:
Much as I'd love to stay and chat, how about you pick a day when Riis didn't just win us the penalty that produced our only goal, and Evans didn't once again have zero effect on our goal tally, but pleased fans of huffing and puffing and moaning at the ref.
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I’d love to stay and chat aswell but if your saying Riis all round game is better than Evans then it’s a pointless discussion.

My point is Evans all round game cuts him more slack when not scoring, Riis, who’s main contribution is scoring, so when he doesn’t do that “and doesn’t contribute elsewhere” leaves him open for criticism. Yesterday he contributed so wasn’t criticised.

And in all honesty the majority say the same otherwise this discussion wouldn’t having had would it, because people would moan more about Evans. But the initial comment was in relation to Riis being moaned at if he’d missed those chances.

My comment was a general 1 not just about yesterday. I’m a fan of both players, I would love to see Evans score more and would love to see Riis do more of the hold up play and physical aspects to. Sorry if that offends you.
 
Pne30 said:
I’d love to stay and chat aswell but if your saying Riis all round game is better than Evans then it’s a pointless discussion.

My point is Evans all round game cuts him more slack when not scoring, Riis, who’s main contribution is scoring, so when he doesn’t do that “and doesn’t contribute elsewhere” leaves him open for criticism. Yesterday he contributed so wasn’t criticised.

And in all honesty the majority say the same otherwise this discussion wouldn’t having had would it, because people would moan more about Evans. But the initial comment was in relation to Riis being moaned at if he’d missed those chances.

My comment was a general 1 not just about yesterday. I’m a fan of both players, I would love to see Evans score more and would love to see Riis do more of the hold up play and physical aspects to. Sorry if that offends you.
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Point is that Evans' all round play doesn't make up for his lack of goals. Wheras being our top scorer is more than worth Riis' poorer all round play.

Its not like Evans is making up for it by putting chances on a plate for Archer. As I posted earlier, there's virtually no difference in their key passes made by minutes playes.
 
HunterLionheart said:
Point is that Evans' all round play doesn't make up for his lack of goals. Wheras being our top scorer is more than worth Riis' poorer all round play.

Its not like Evans is making up for it by putting chances on a plate for Archer. As I posted earlier, there's virtually no difference in their key passes made by minutes playes.
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Ok, the stats back it up so you are correct. But my initial comment was explaining why I feel Riis would get stick ahead of Evans.

The stats back you up, but they don’t always paint a clear picture (although im sure that can be argued against). But just for example Sheff United 2-0 down, Evans came on and changed the match. Would we have had the same result without him on the pitch? He does seem to have an effect on the overall play even if he isn’t directly involved with the aspects that win points.
 
Pne30 said:
Ok, the stats back it up so you are correct. But my initial comment was explaining why I feel Riis would get stick ahead of Evans.

The stats back you up, but they don’t always paint a clear picture (although im sure that can be argued against). But just for example Sheff United 2-0 down, Evans came on and changed the match. Would we have had the same result without him on the pitch? He does seem to have an effect on the overall play even if he isn’t directly involved with the aspects that win points.
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"Evans came on and changed the match" - right there you have identified his key attribute.
 
Thracia said:
"Evans came on and changed the match" - right there you have identified his key attribute.
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But you could say the same about Riis yesterday. Changed the game when he came on rather than starting.

It’s a harsh way to judge a player too, as if Archer’s touch in the second half doesn’t go towards the corner flag then you’re saying Ched has an assist to his name. If DJ misses the penalty, Riis doesn’t have a contribution to a goal.
 
Doyler said:
But you could say the same about Riis yesterday. Changed the game when he came on rather than starting.

It’s a harsh way to judge a player too, as if Archer’s touch in the second half doesn’t go towards the corner flag then you’re saying Ched has an assist to his name. If DJ misses the penalty, Riis doesn’t have a contribution to a goal.
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Yep, harsh, but that's the difference between goals, assists and zip.
 
Doyler said:
But you could say the same about Riis yesterday. Changed the game when he came on rather than starting.

It’s a harsh way to judge a player too, as if Archer’s touch in the second half doesn’t go towards the corner flag then you’re saying Ched has an assist to his name. If DJ misses the penalty, Riis doesn’t have a contribution to a goal.
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All of Riis' league goals have come when he started games. None from the bench.

When you're having to deal with "what ifs" to augment Evans lack of goals/assists, I think you are clutching at straws.

The last three times Archer and Evans started up front neither of them scored. We ended up with one goal and 3pts.

The last time Riis and Archer started up front, Archer scored in each game. We ended up with five goals and 6pts.

The maths aren't difficult. And the answer doesn't rest in "what ifs".
 
Dreyfuss said:
All of Riis' league goals have come when he started games. None from the bench.

When you're having to deal with "what ifs" to augment Evans lack of goals/assists, I think you are clutching at straws.

The last three times Archer and Evans started up front neither of them scored. We ended up with one goal and 3pts.

The last time Riis and Archer started up front, Archer scored in each game. We ended up with five goals and 6pts.

The maths aren't difficult. And the answer doesn't rest in "what ifs".
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This is a pointless statistic as Riis wasn't even on the pitch when Archer scored against Peterborough or Reading. I think, when you're implying that he scored those goals because he started the game with Riis, it is in fact you who is clutching at straws.
 
For now until the seasons end RyLo is probably going to play both in every game, but simply not start both players at first whistle. He will rotate, swap, and even play both at some stage of every game, barring injury.
 
Doyler said:
This is a pointless statistic as Riis wasn't even on the pitch when Archer scored against Peterborough or Reading. I think, when you're implying that he scored those goals because he started the game with Riis, it is in fact you who is clutching at straws.
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When Evans starts games we usually don't win (18% win ratio) and he doesn't score (0% goal ratio) and the team as a whole often fails to score (55% fail to score ratio)

And so far the budding partnership of Archer and Evans has seen two 0-0's and yesterday's 1-1. No goals scored in those three games by anyone other than Johnsons penalty. (Thanks to Riis no less)

Those three recent draws (all against playoff rivals) have effectively ended any slim hopes we had of a promotion push.

I'd like us to win more games. And score more goals. Which part of this conundrum are you struggling to understand?
 
It's almost as if we're a mid-table team with a strikeforce of just a loanie, a veteran freebie and a £1.5mil raw talent to choose from...
 
Dreyfuss said:
When Evans starts games we usually don't win (18% win ratio) and he doesn't score (0% goal ratio) and the team as a whole often fails to score (55% fail to score ratio)

And so far the budding partnership of Archer and Evans has seen two 0-0's and yesterday's 1-1. No goals scored in those three games by anyone other than Johnsons penalty. (Thanks to Riis no less)

Those three recent draws (all against playoff rivals) have effectively ended any slim hopes we had of a promotion push.

I'd like us to win more games. And score more goals. Which part of this conundrum are you struggling to understand?
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I don’t struggle to understand the concept of supporting a football team; I’ve done it myself for long enough.

I take exception to your use of stats to back up what you’re saying, for example, saying we have scored three goals vs Posh & Reading with Archer and Riis as the front two… failing to acknowledge that Riis wasn’t on the pitch for any of those goals.

I like Riis and wouldn’t be against him starting against Bournemouth to be honest, but there is a reason he hasn’t been starting as much.
 
Doyler said:
I don’t struggle to understand the concept of supporting a football team; I’ve done it myself for long enough.

I take exception to your use of stats to back up what you’re saying, for example, saying we have scored three goals vs Posh & Reading with Archer and Riis as the front two… failing to acknowledge that Riis wasn’t on the pitch for any of those goals.

I like Riis and wouldn’t be against him starting against Bournemouth to be honest, but there is a reason he hasn’t been starting as much.
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You take issue with some stats. You strangely ignore others.

My whole point is Evans is best used from the bench. I've acknowledged those sub stats and praised his performances from the bench.

Yet you continue to reference things which support that same view, like him coming on Vs Reading and Posh.

If Riis hadn't scored in three months and the team had won 2 in 11 when he did play and failed to score on 6 of those occasions... I think I'd be definitly questioning if playing Riis is working.

But it feels like rabid fans of Evans would happily see us never score and never win, as long as he elbows someone in the nads at some point.
 
Genuinely don't understand why people nit pick at things. I'm glad we have both Riis and Evans on our team. Sure performances could be better but it goes for all players. Swings and roundabouts. Glad we have them.
 
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