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    The Gentry Tifo will now be displayed next season to ensure it receives the platform and impact it deserves.
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Club Takeover/Investment

Club Takeover/Investment

Are there any clubs similar to ourselves with an owner that puts in £x every season just to keep going? Are we special? Why has that number never gone down through alternate revenue streams? It's like we're on a life support machine and the Hemmings family is footing the leccy bill.
 
@St Gregs, I am trying to understand why you want to belittle fans that want to see progress being made.
In the 10 years that we have been in the Championship, tell me how this club has moved forward in any way, apart from the training ground, which in itself is rather controversial.

For many years, fans have been saying we need to invest in a youth structure as well as buy younger players to invest and move on.

The beginning of our time in the Championship we did buy some promising young players, but we hardly sold them at the opportune time (I admit hindsight is always 20:20), but getting next to nothing from DJ, Pearson, Davies, Browne etc is borderline criminal.

The lack of player trading means no money comes in that we can then re-invest in the club, rinse and repeat. Before you say it cannot be done, there are plenty of clubs that are able to do so. But it means that investment has to be made in the scouting set up.

We lurch from one season to another with no joined up thinking and use excuse after excuse (FFP, Location, plenty of big clubs, attendances, KMI's and injuries, I will come back to injuries).

Instead of location being an excuse, why don't we try to make that an advantage. Plenty of young players get released by clubs near to us. Why don't we hold 1 week boot camps for these players, so we can have a good look at them? Again that costs money, but if we find 1 nugget (not Nugent) a year, it will be cost effective. It will obviously mean we have a better look at players than we did with Stewart (not against that type of signing, but with a proper look at).

Then there is the lack of junior coaching (lack of dome etc), it's not like there is a good example near by to copy, Fleetwood for fucks sake. Not just that, it would start to generate money raising that all to common excuse of FFP. Again this costs money would be the response, but this should have been done years ago and now would be starting to reap rewards. But the club never speculates to generate.

Not everything will work, especially at first, but there has to be an attempt to improve and not just manage the status quo, if we do not, we are just going down, down. That much is obvious.

That's what should have been happening in the 10 years we have been in the championship, if we had been doing that we really would be a "well run club".

Now, let's look at the current squad. It went into last season (and the season before that) too thin for the rigours of Championship football. There was no flexibility in the squad, no pace, no imagination, no flair and no depth. Certain players could not be rotated and ended up run into the ground, this is the main reason for repeated performance drop offs towards the end of the season. KKH was clearly our best player this season, but in the last 5 or 6 games, he was awful, but had given everything for the PNE Shirt throughout the season, lack of planning meant he couldn't be rotated, especially once Potts was injured, another one that has had a lot of game time over recent seasons.

Another issue with this squad is age, our youngest regular first teamer is 25! So how do we fix this? We offer Brady another fucking contract. So basically the opportunities for player trading is down to, Milly, McCann, Thor and maybe an inconsistent Mads.

I admit, all ideas to improve us costs initial money, that is what we should have been doing gradually over the last 10 years and failure to do that means each year the gap grows and so does the costs.

So quite rightly fans have been asking questions of the board, quite rightly fans are getting more and more frustrated with the lack of any ambition, clear communication. Quite rightly they are looking at the squad and saying WTF??

Then how does the board treat their customers (that is what we really are)? With absolute contempt. Look at the preachy messages we get out, the latest from a manager that I was happy with. The insulting way they treat people like JK, who puts in so much of his time into the club.

Sorry this was so long but as you can see, there isn't just one problem at the club, and failure of any forward thinking from the board has led us to the situation we are now in. It is time for fresh ideas, at board level, if the family do not want to sell up (for whatever reason), then they need to start bringing in fresh ideas and attempt to move the club into more modern times.

Fans are bored with the club, and there is nothing that seems to be done to try to energise them. Let's face it, the atmosphere generated for the Villa game was fan led, not club led, much like all good things at PNE at the moment. Anyone that criticizes the way the club is run is portrayed as a loon or a radical.

Unless there is significant change in mindset over the summer, I will not be there next season, and I am not the only one. This should concern a company that customers are willing to walk away. Any other business it would look at feedback, but not Preston North End. I am not wanting miracles, everything cannot be fixed straight away, but I want to see evidence of forward thinking ideas being introduced.

Sorry for the very long post, but comments from St Gregs and that WW chap on twitter need to be responded to.
Ridsdale Out!
What a superb post , best I have read for a long time , agree with every word - Bravo ..
 
Difficult to find anybody else who’ll be prepared to out in between £10-12 m every year for no return, as they’ve found out ! That said i accept a sale in inevitable at some stage só let’s hope they find a good new owner
Surely the idea of buying the club would come with a plan that fixes the club and removes the need to put in £10 - 12m a year
 
It's a good idea to diversify, for example we could make our own kits etc. 😎

We used to do that.

The ‘KIT by North End’ shirts were among the best quality and design in our history. 😍

But that was the BAXI years when we were on the front foot, hardworking and led by proper people who knew what they were doing.

Nowadays, it’s the exact opposite. 🙃
 
We used to do that.

The ‘KIT by North End’ shirts were among the best quality and design in our history. 😍

But that was the BAXI years when we were on the front foot, hardworking and led by proper people who knew what they were doing.

Nowadays, it’s the exact opposite. 🙃
Still got both my KIT by North End kits, both in good condition still. Probably the best quality kits I have especially compared to modern kits where they all seem cheaply made and just templates.

There must be a reason why more clubs don’t make there own kits if it would increase there revenue
 
Unfortunately, I feel like dodging relegation may actually come to be warmly welcomed by some in the offices of Euxton and Isle of Man. It buys them more time and means they no longer have to pretend to have a proper plan for taking us to the Premier League. Of course, most sane fans never really believed we had a plan or any genuine ambition to get to the promised land, but at least when they were pretending and making the right noises we could hold them to account a little bit. I imagine when we do finally hear from our esteemed leaders soon, we’ll now hear things like “we have to be realistic about where we are as a club” and “securing our position in the Championship is our number one priority”. Nobody can really argue with any of that given where we are and the mess we’re currently in, but it’s frustrating that they’re being let off the hook.
 
Unfortunately, I feel like dodging relegation may actually come to be warmly welcomed by some in the offices of Euxton and Isle of Man. It buys them more time and means they no longer have to pretend to have a proper plan for taking us to the Premier League. Of course, most sane fans never really believed we had a plan or any genuine ambition to get to the promised land, but at least when they were pretending and making the right noises we could hold them to account a little bit. I imagine when we do finally hear from our esteemed leaders soon, we’ll now hear things like “we have to be realistic about where we are as a club” and “securing our position in the Championship is our number one priority”. Nobody can really argue with any of that given where we are and the mess we’re currently in, but it’s frustrating that they’re being let off the hook.
I'd be surprised if they tried to drop the "Prem ambition" stuff so easily.

Ludicrous as it may be, they've been insistent for years that mid-table is not their aim, promotion to the Prem is. So it would be a remarkable change of strategy to admit, actually, surviving a relegation battle is the new aspiration, tickets now on sale.
 
I'd be surprised if they tried to drop the "Prem ambition" stuff so easily.

Ludicrous as it may be, they've been insistent for years that mid-table is not their aim, promotion to the Prem is. So it would be a remarkable change of strategy to admit, actually, surviving a relegation battle is the new aspiration, tickets now on sale.
I’m not sure they would admit it so openly but equally, I think they would be laughed out of Deepdale for even trying to suggest that promotion to the Prem is still the aim given the circus this season, unless they back it up with some solid investment to “have a real go”. I think it’s important to distinguish between their long-term aim and what’s realistic in the coming season. Plus not to mention the convenience of them never putting a timeframe on when promotion to the Prem will be achieved.
 
Wish they'd all just fuck off and take Ridsdale with them. They have no interest in the club and are just letting it run to rack and ruin, both with the players, staff and the stadium itself. Everything is done on the cheap, not done until absolutely necessary, and with no forward thinking.

Drop your sale price and just get rid FFS.
 
I’m not sure they would admit it so openly but equally, I think they would be laughed out of Deepdale for even trying to suggest that promotion to the Prem is still the aim given the circus this season, unless they back it up with some solid investment to “have a real go”. I think it’s important to distinguish between their long-term aim and what’s realistic in the coming season. Plus not to mention the convenience of them never putting a timeframe on when promotion to the Prem will be achieved.
Aye, it's always an "aim" or a "goal", rather than something they ever intend doing.

But Ridsdale did say as recently as March 31st: "I would like to think, with the fans behind us and the manager we’ve got, we stand a chance of doing something special. Even more importantly, he believes and I do too, listening to him, that if we do the right recruitment in the summer we’ll give it a right go at getting promoted next year."

Going to look rather foolish if they're rowing back from that within 6 weeks.
 
Wish they'd all just fuck off and take Ridsdale with them. They have no interest in the club and are just letting it run to rack and ruin, both with the players, staff and the stadium itself. Everything is done on the cheap, not done until absolutely necessary, and with no forward thinking.

Drop your sale price and just get rid FFS.
The sale price is an interesting point. I know it’s not this straightforward but if you’re trying to sell something and there’s no takers, don’t you usually drop your price? It seems they either have unrealistic expectations about what the club is worth or are deliberately hiking the price to stall a sale for whatever reason. Are there are any financial benefits to them owning the club that they would lose by selling it?
 
Aye, it's always an "aim" or a "goal", rather than something they ever intend doing.

But Ridsdale did say as recently as March 31st: "I would like to think, with the fans behind us and the manager we’ve got, we stand a chance of doing something special. Even more importantly, he believes and I do too, listening to him, that if we do the right recruitment in the summer we’ll give it a right go at getting promoted next year."

Going to look rather foolish if they're rowing back from that within 6 weeks.
Time will tell! The silence is deafening at the moment.
 
If promotion is your aim, a mid table result is acceptable if things don't work out.
If you aim for mid table and things go wrong..
the result is relegation.
For too long the powers that be have been saying that they are aiming for the prem.....
ARE THEY?? Really??
by doing nothing pro-active to take the club forward and by putting the minimum needed to keep the club going, they are de-facto aiming for the middle.
We need a plan. Show me a plan that I can believe in and get behind.
A visible plan with annual targets, IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. Commercial as well as on the field of play. And at all levels from grass roots in the community through the youth teams, the women's team, and even the under 23's......if we even had one!
Not achieving those targets should be a sackable offence at every level and especially in the board of directors.

We are in affect supporting an unambitious excuse for a football team that the family appear to carry as 'their trophy', based on history and achievements of over 60 years ago. But it is OUR team, not only theirs, and I will continue to support OUR TEAM.
 
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