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Five years today...

Five years today...

It always amuses me how Westley get credit for NOT doing something (i.e. renewing a few contracts that were expiring) as if that task somehow required some sort of fusion of Shankley, Ferguson and Ramsey to pull off. And that's practically all the defenders can come up with.

And people talk about style of football. If anyone can tell me what style he was attempting to pull off then they're a better man than me. All i saw was directionless, shapeless mush.

We've had a few shocking managers in our time, the early 80's particularly, but i doubt anyone else did more to alienate an entire club, inside and out. The man has no business being anywhere near professional football.

very true....

my lasting regret - and knowing some of the players / staff he alienated there are a few - but the lasting one is me refusing to buy Ambassador Season Tickets that PR came up with for the season we sacked GW.

I went to the games but wouldnt give my money up front for 3 season tickets with GW in charge. Had ST's every season since and before - going back to the 60's.

5 years on and I still cant get discount in the club shop (only ambassadors do) and wont get any cheap season tickets next season in THE PREM as only Ambassadors will !!!
I can get a cheap burger at Mac D's for me season ticket but get nowt from 'our club' !

And I blame Westley """" not that I'm bitter or anything.... but it was great to see Yeovil beat Barnet and Forest Green win last night !

we all need a scape goat !!!
 
I'll remain fairly isolated in my opinions, if not totally alone, in that although Westley's man management skills were probably the worst I have ever seen at Deepdale and his signings utterly disgusting at times, he did try to get us playing more football than we did under Grayson.

In my opinion, Grayson steadied the ship in his first part season purely by bringing a normality, pragmatism and League One-suited directness to the club that any sane manager could have brought. He then went on to give us some truly dire, defensive, long stuff that our budget warranted more than.

I do not, however, wish to denigrate the totality of his achievement, namely spectacularly breaking the play-off hoodoo and giving us one last season of McGeady and 4-4-2 inspired attacking football. The rest was turgid, however you roll it in glitter.

Westley was, ultimately, a monumental disaster, but he did get us trying to play football, I just think he was a) out of his depth and b) too wedded to his AIMITA mantra that is proven completely incorrect as you move up the leagues and apply the logic that if a player had the right attitude throughout his career his ability would surely reflect that via practice and improvement. The likes De Bruyne and Hazard weren't born pinging 70 yard balls to feet and trapping the ball with their backs, their love of the game (i.e. attitude) saw them develop that ability. The likes of Aaron Browne and Andy Procter may well run through brick walls for the club and do extra shuttle runs every day but they clearly didn't have the right attitude towards improving their technique that the better players had.

I still have a soft spot for Westley, despite it all. He's an absolute nutjob with a flawed philosophy but there is something in him that remains likeable to me and lest we forget, at the time, we did have a bunch of highly paid players that, let's say, were not giving their all. I think that was recognised by the likes of Ridsdale and Westley was the consummate hatchet man brought in to clear the decks. He certainly did that.


It amuses me how Westley gets any credit at all - fans talk about how he came here to 'do a job' and how it was because of him Grayson did so well. What job was that? Get us relegated to league two.

The man is a clueless clown! He got rid of the vast majority of our players including attempting to sell Bailey Wright then bought in a lot of players that summer - all but about four were turd. He had money to spend - more then Grayson ever did in league one and still couldn't bring winning football to our club.

Then Grayson came - granted in the first season the football wasn't great but look at what he had to work with. The second season we played better football - people can talk about how 'defensive' his football was, but defensive football doesn't score you 79 goals in a season.

I will never credit Westley with anything - his football was shocking, he had no game plan apart from telling players to pretend they where injured after going 1-0 up, the way he treated players was disgusting, the majority of his signings where league one/two/conference journey men hence why all but 4 have never made the step up to the championship. Grayson worked miracles - to break up that shocking team with no transfer money to spend (apart from 50 grand) and to get us promoted and not only that then make us an established championship club finishing 11th in our first season back.

It amuses me and I think it's very surprising that some fans will still give Westley more credit then Grayson. I just do not understand that at all. If he was in charge for the remainder of that season we would have got relegated.
 
It amuses me and I think it's very surprising that some fans will still give Westley more credit then Grayson. I just do not understand that at all. If he was in charge for the remainder of that season we would have got relegated.

The rest is right but not sure I've ever seen this?
 
You'd be surprised.

Isn't that right Liberation? 😉


Don't be daft... I wasn't even referring to the football ( which wasn't too bad until the two full backs both got injured btw ) but I just liked the bloke.. Absolute nutter and if he'd had achieved a 10th of the bollocks he came out with we wouldn't be having this conversation.... PS.. You may have guessed but I like " characters " and if there's anyone that denies he was that then we'll never see eye to eye....... I genuinely hoped that he would succeed but he failed, no denying it.. 🙂
 
It amuses me how Westley gets any credit at all - fans talk about how he came here to 'do a job' and how it was because of him Grayson did so well. What job was that? Get us relegated to league two.

The man is a clueless clown! He got rid of the vast majority of our players including attempting to sell Bailey Wright then bought in a lot of players that summer - all but about four were turd. He had money to spend - more then Grayson ever did in league one and still couldn't bring winning football to our club.

Then Grayson came - granted in the first season the football wasn't great but look at what he had to work with. The second season we played better football - people can talk about how 'defensive' his football was, but defensive football doesn't score you 79 goals in a season.

I will never credit Westley with anything - his football was shocking, he had no game plan apart from telling players to pretend they where injured after going 1-0 up, the way he treated players was disgusting, the majority of his signings where league one/two/conference journey men hence why all but 4 have never made the step up to the championship. Grayson worked miracles - to break up that shocking team with no transfer money to spend (apart from 50 grand) and to get us promoted and not only that then make us an established championship club finishing 11th in our first season back.

It amuses me and I think it's very surprising that some fans will still give Westley more credit then Grayson. I just do not understand that at all. If he was in charge for the remainder of that season we would have got relegated.

fantastic comments and so true.... those of us who had any inside knowledge of life under GW will agree with every word you write....
 
fantastic comments and so true.... those of us who had any inside knowledge of life under GW will agree with every word you write....

Could you articulate some of your inside info?

I've heard many mind boggling stories about GW's 'management style' at PNE from a range of sources, some more reputable than others.

They all strain credulity and yet some of them I know for a fact to be true, and some of which I hope, for Westley's sake, are not.
 
I'll remain fairly isolated in my opinions, if not totally alone, in that although Westley's man management skills were probably the worst I have ever seen at Deepdale and his signings utterly disgusting at times, he did try to get us playing more football than we did under Grayson.

In my opinion, Grayson steadied the ship in his first part season purely by bringing a normality, pragmatism and League One-suited directness to the club that any sane manager could have brought. He then went on to give us some truly dire, defensive, long stuff that our budget warranted more than.

I do not, however, wish to denigrate the totality of his achievement, namely spectacularly breaking the play-off hoodoo and giving us one last season of McGeady and 4-4-2 inspired attacking football. The rest was turgid, however you roll it in glitter.

Westley was, ultimately, a monumental disaster, but he did get us trying to play football, I just think he was a) out of his depth and b) too wedded to his AIMITA mantra that is proven completely incorrect as you move up the leagues and apply the logic that if a player had the right attitude throughout his career his ability would surely reflect that via practice and improvement. The likes De Bruyne and Hazard weren't born pinging 70 yard balls to feet and trapping the ball with their backs, their love of the game (i.e. attitude) saw them develop that ability. The likes of Aaron Browne and Andy Procter may well run through brick walls for the club and do extra shuttle runs every day but they clearly didn't have the right attitude towards improving their technique that the better players had.

I still have a soft spot for Westley, despite it all. He's an absolute nutjob with a flawed philosophy but there is something in him that remains likeable to me and lest we forget, at the time, we did have a bunch of highly paid players that, let's say, were not giving their all. I think that was recognised by the likes of Ridsdale and Westley was the consummate hatchet man brought in to clear the decks. He certainly did that.

We scored 84 goals during our promotion season in 2014/15. Very turgid 🙂
 
It amuses me how Westley gets any credit at all - fans talk about how he came here to 'do a job' and how it was because of him Grayson did so well. What job was that? Get us relegated to league two.

The man is a clueless clown! He got rid of the vast majority of our players including attempting to sell Bailey Wright then bought in a lot of players that summer - all but about four were turd. He had money to spend - more then Grayson ever did in league one and still couldn't bring winning football to our club.

Then Grayson came - granted in the first season the football wasn't great but look at what he had to work with. The second season we played better football - people can talk about how 'defensive' his football was, but defensive football doesn't score you 79 goals in a season.

I will never credit Westley with anything - his football was shocking, he had no game plan apart from telling players to pretend they where injured after going 1-0 up, the way he treated players was disgusting, the majority of his signings where league one/two/conference journey men hence why all but 4 have never made the step up to the championship. Grayson worked miracles - to break up that shocking team with no transfer money to spend (apart from 50 grand) and to get us promoted and not only that then make us an established championship club finishing 11th in our first season back.

It amuses me and I think it's very surprising that some fans will still give Westley more credit then Grayson. I just do not understand that at all. If he was in charge for the remainder of that season we would have got relegated.

Totally agree with you. He didn’t need to get shut of players, they couldn’t wait to escape. The man was absolutely clueless.
 
It amuses me how Westley gets any credit at all - fans talk about how he came here to 'do a job' and how it was because of him Grayson did so well. What job was that? Get us relegated to league two.

The man is a clueless clown! He got rid of the vast majority of our players including attempting to sell Bailey Wright then bought in a lot of players that summer - all but about four were turd. He had money to spend - more then Grayson ever did in league one and still couldn't bring winning football to our club.

Then Grayson came - granted in the first season the football wasn't great but look at what he had to work with. The second season we played better football - people can talk about how 'defensive' his football was, but defensive football doesn't score you 79 goals in a season.

I will never credit Westley with anything - his football was shocking, he had no game plan apart from telling players to pretend they where injured after going 1-0 up, the way he treated players was disgusting, the majority of his signings where league one/two/conference journey men hence why all but 4 have never made the step up to the championship. Grayson worked miracles - to break up that shocking team with no transfer money to spend (apart from 50 grand) and to get us promoted and not only that then make us an established championship club finishing 11th in our first season back.

It amuses me and I think it's very surprising that some fans will still give Westley more credit then Grayson. I just do not understand that at all. If he was in charge for the remainder of that season we would have got relegated.

Nailed it, White 123
 
Don't be daft... I wasn't even referring to the football ( which wasn't too bad until the two full backs both got injured btw ) but I just liked the bloke.. Absolute nutter and if he'd had achieved a 10th of the bollocks he came out with we wouldn't be having this conversation

I'm glad you've seen the light, Lib. 😉

PS.. You may have guessed but I like " characters " and if there's anyone that denies he was that then we'll never see eye to eye....... I genuinely hoped that he would succeed but he failed, no denying it.. 🙂

I also like characters, they're a dying breed.

However I don't like characters who are inherently narcissistic and clinically insane. 'Characters' like GW have more in common with Hannibal Lectre (minus the Fava beans, probably) or Joseph Stalin than they do David Brent or Alan Partridge.

An abysmal manager and a self obsessed crackpot.
 
Could you articulate some of your inside info?

I've heard many mind boggling stories about GW's 'management style' at PNE from a range of sources, some more reputable than others.

They all strain credulity and yet some of them I know for a fact to be true, and some of which I hope, for Westley's sake, are not.

DOC - sources I cant name as some still work for the club.... but for instance..

I have mentioned on another thread about the Paul Coutts / Andy Proctor NOBODY exchange - GW told Coutts 'a NOBODY' could do the job he wanted Coutts to do - he signed Andy P that week and introduced him to Coutts and the squad as 'this is the NOBODY that is getting your job' and made him capt....

GW's 1st meeting with all the players and staff at Deepdale - all were gathered in a room waiting, GW walked in and asked "what do you think my children call me?"... after a silence Unsy suggested 'Dad', someone else said Graham'? GW answered "my children call me Medal Winner" then walked out of the meeting ! -

most stuff has been aired on many forums over the years - being turned down by 2 youth players for contracts as they preferreed other clubs than play for him - one went to Accy stanley.
Youth scouts stopping bringing players to Deepdale
Injured players not being allowed to use PNE medical people so they had to go private.
Players who loved the club told they were 'like a cancer around the place'...
our famous Keeper coach walking out in week 2 after being 'disrespected' in the corridors by GW.

His bodyguard (coach) bullying young players and squaring up to fans at Springfields.
totally disorganised training sessions .... some were laughable to watch if not so sad !

Then the dumping of Bailey Wright to add to all the others he got rid of....

lots of anecdotal stuff from 'friends' employed.... too many for everyone to be made up and across all areas of the club, not just the 'bad apple' players...SO CALLED.
 
I'm glad you've seen the light, Lib. 😉



I also like characters, they're a dying breed.

However I don't like characters who are inherently narcissistic and clinically insane. 'Characters' like GW have more in common with Hannibal Lectre (minus the Fava beans, probably) or Joseph Stalin than they do David Brent or Alan Partridge.

An abysmal manager and a self obsessed crackpot.


Oh come on Doc.... You'd have been chuffed to buggery if he'd succeeded.Our very own Brian Clough but Westley wasn't pissed half the time ( he was like that naturally ) and he had a problem when dealing with less than desperate players and an ego far too big for anyones boots..............But I still liked him and all this " almost destroyed our club " crap needs a lid on it... "Destroyed our club" my Drama Queen fat arse ! 😀

PS..You gonna admit that some of the footy at times wasn't that bad?....


PPS ...Lector was quite a loveable chap as long as you were polite.... 🙂
 
Oh come on Doc.... You'd have been chuffed to buggery if he'd succeeded.Our very own Brian Clough but Westley wasn't pissed half the time ( he was like that naturally ) and he had a problem when dealing with less than desperate players and an ego far too big for anyones boots..............But I still liked him and all this " almost destroyed our club " crap needs a lid on it... "Destroyed our club" my Drama Queen fat arse ! 😀

PS..You gonna admit that some of the footy at times wasn't that bad?....


PPS ...Lector was quite a loveable chap as long as you were polite.... 🙂

Football wasn't that bad? - in his first season we had 3 consecutive 0-0 draws at home against Chesterfield, Walsall and Scunthorpe. I think we had only one shot on target in two of them. In about three games in his second season we played good football - Swindon, Hartlepool and Stevenage away. And yes he almost destroyed our club - we had an awful reputation, ref's hated us, fans/players of other teams hated us, managers hated us. The squad was full of league one/two journey men and we was on a one way ticket to league two.

On a side note, it really does amuse me that you and Marsbars never gave Grayson any credit in his time at the club - you didn't like Grayson, yet Westley with his big ego and awful management ability - a manager who tore up this football club the players/staff/pitch/everything about PNE yet you 'liked him.' The only thing that needs a lid on it is fans thinking that Westley did anything good for this football club because the fact is that he didn't. Grayson came in and working with no transfer money made us into a promotion winning side getting rid of the vast majority of Westley's signings in the process. Now that does deserve credit!
 
Football wasn't that bad? - in his first season we had 3 consecutive 0-0 draws at home against Chesterfield, Walsall and Scunthorpe. I think we had only one shot on target in two of them. In about three games in his second season we played good football - Swindon, Hartlepool and Stevenage away. And yes he almost destroyed our club - we had an awful reputation, ref's hated us, fans/players of other teams hated us, managers hated us. The squad was full of league one/two journey men and we was on a one way ticket to league two.

On a side note, it really does amuse me that you and Marsbars never gave Grayson any credit in his time at the club - you didn't like Grayson, yet Westley with his big ego and awful management ability - a manager who tore up this football club the players/staff/pitch/everything about PNE yet you 'liked him.' The only thing that needs a lid on it is fans thinking that Westley did anything good for this football club because the fact is that he didn't. Grayson came in and working with no transfer money made us into a promotion winning side getting rid of the vast majority of Westley's signings in the process. Now that does deserve credit!

Put a sock in it you drama queen........... Only one bloke could destroy this club and he owns it......And even then I suspect there would be those who'd put up a bloody good fight.
 
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