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I am not sure if I am dreaming this - but years back Ridsdale said we didn’t like using the loan market because it was like renting a player rather than owning one. It seems to me we’ve rather changed that position. But this squad needs a real confidence boost and an experienced player who can tighten up on the despondency and ill discipline when we fall a goal behind. Heavy defeats were a real worry last year. And we’re repeating them this year to mediocre sides. We absolutely need to shore up this defence. Even the Lancashire post rebates on the lack of signings here over the last few years.

I vaguely remember this too, for the life of me I can't find the quotes so I was starting to believe I made it up too. I remember something like 'we don't want to develop other team's players'. I remember it being around the latter era Neil/Frankie era

Then under Lowe the soundbites were about using the loan market effectively, limited budget etc
 
I vaguely remember this too, for the life of me I can't find the quotes so I was starting to believe I made it up too. I remember something like 'we don't want to develop other team's players'. I remember it being around the latter era Neil/Frankie era

Then under Lowe the soundbites were about using the loan market effectively, limited budget etc
Yeah it was Ridsdale's quote in reference to a conversation with Rhian Brewster when we were top 6 under Neil.
The club always looks at the cheapest option when it comes to recruitment - once the league of Ireland dalliance failed (Horgan, Boyle, Burke, O'Connor), and the cheap lower league punts failed (Ginnelly, Stockley, Ripley) the next cheapest was to explore the loan market.
The odd success (Maguire, Barkhuizen) alongside Peter's Howard Wilkinson mantra of 2 in 5 or whatever it is, meant we continued to plunder cash in these markets longer than we should have.
There was also a time when PR was vocally reluctant to explore the foreign market, which again we seem to reverse on once it was clear the above cheaper options had failed, and that became the next cheapest alternative.
 
Yeah it was Ridsdale's quote in reference to a conversation with Rhian Brewster when we were top 6 under Neil.
The club always looks at the cheapest option when it comes to recruitment - once the league of Ireland dalliance failed (Horgan, Boyle, Burke, O'Connor), and the cheap lower league punts failed (Ginnelly, Stockley, Ripley) the next cheapest was to explore the loan market.
The odd success (Maguire, Barkhuizen) alongside Peter's Howard Wilkinson mantra of 2 in 5 or whatever it is, meant we continued to plunder cash in these markets longer than we should have.
There was also a time when PR was vocally reluctant to explore the foreign market, which again we seem to reverse on once it was clear the above cheaper options had failed, and that became the next cheapest alternative.
We always seem to be a few years behind the curve - we start getting into a new area once everyone else has exploited it for years and it's already overpriced or on the wane, or we pull out to cut costs just as others are opening up new possibilities in the area.

The Irish gambit was originally done for cheapness over here while enhancing TH's philanthropic profile over there, even though most of the actual signings were crap. But then Brexit happened, and there was suddenly a useful reason for having a satellite club within the EU through which we could potentially ferry prospects in and out of PNE, bypassing the new Brexit rules - but of course, one of the first things the IoM did after TH's death was cancel the proposed takeover of Cork City.

Ireland aside, there seemed to be an aversion to dealing with foreign clubs under TH. Peter argued this was because we couldn't be sure how strong those leagues were compared to ours, despite the evidence of imported players performing well in other Championship teams. Nowadays, those "principles" have been ditched, and Peter's happy paying £1.7m for Okkels on the strength of a few videos.

Likewise, loan signings were minimal under TH, because we were paying to develop other clubs' players, when our model was (and still theoretically is) getting lower-league clubs to pay to develop our players on loan. Then Peter had his Damascene conversion when Pearson and Davies both left, and he was forced to sign so many loans in one window we had to immediately convert 2 to permanents so we could play them all. He still isn't a big fan though, because Prem clubs charge loan fees, plus penalties if the loans don't play, and frustratingly Peter still doesn't get to pick the team.
 
We always seem to be a few years behind the curve...

I wonder why... 🙁

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Yeah it was Ridsdale's quote in reference to a conversation with Rhian Brewster when we were top 6 under Neil.
The club always looks at the cheapest option when it comes to recruitment - once the league of Ireland dalliance failed (Horgan, Boyle, Burke, O'Connor), and the cheap lower league punts failed (Ginnelly, Stockley, Ripley) the next cheapest was to explore the loan market.
The odd success (Maguire, Barkhuizen) alongside Peter's Howard Wilkinson mantra of 2 in 5 or whatever it is, meant we continued to plunder cash in these markets longer than we should have.
There was also a time when PR was vocally reluctant to explore the foreign market, which again we seem to reverse on once it was clear the above cheaper options had failed, and that became the next cheapest alternative.

We always seem to be a few years behind the curve - we start getting into a new area once everyone else has exploited it for years and it's already overpriced or on the wane, or we pull out to cut costs just as others are opening up new possibilities in the area.

Two exceptionally good summaries.

Traditional, slow and outdated - that's us. Just on the issue of recruitment alone we could point to posts like this as clear evidence of us being slow to react, to follow rather than lead, safe rather than brave. But we know it's a cultural safety-first mentality of protecting the nest egg that permeates through every part of the club. And that culture comes from leadership.

One area that we do seem to do better in these days is our media team, probably because they have the space to do what they think is right and try and innovate because Peter doesn't know what a TikTok is. It's a damn sight better than it was, and it's noticeable. But some clubs were experimenting this much with social media and video back in 2010, so that too is reflective of our adoption speed.

We're not the first, but we are.... also not the best. Maybe we're the cheapest?
 
We always seem to be a few years behind the curve - we start getting into a new area once everyone else has exploited it for years and it's already overpriced or on the wane, or we pull out to cut costs just as others are opening up new possibilities in the area.

The Irish gambit was originally done for cheapness over here while enhancing TH's philanthropic profile over there, even though most of the actual signings were crap. But then Brexit happened, and there was suddenly a useful reason for having a satellite club within the EU through which we could potentially ferry prospects in and out of PNE, bypassing the new Brexit rules - but of course, one of the first things the IoM did after TH's death was cancel the proposed takeover of Cork City.

Ireland aside, there seemed to be an aversion to dealing with foreign clubs under TH. Peter argued this was because we couldn't be sure how strong those leagues were compared to ours, despite the evidence of imported players performing well in other Championship teams. Nowadays, those "principles" have been ditched, and Peter's happy paying £1.7m for Okkels on the strength of a few videos.

Likewise, loan signings were minimal under TH, because we were paying to develop other clubs' players, when our model was (and still theoretically is) getting lower-league clubs to pay to develop our players on loan. Then Peter had his Damascene conversion when Pearson and Davies both left, and he was forced to sign so many loans in one window we had to immediately convert 2 to permanents so we could play them all. He still isn't a big fan though, because Prem clubs charge loan fees, plus penalties if the loans don't play, and frustratingly Peter still doesn't get to pick the team.

One other (kind of) related angle with TH not wholly comfortable buying foreign players is the condition of selling the club. I’m sure there’s something about this in the ‘small print’ - ie needs UK interest - even if minority
 
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