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Having watched the last 2 games...Pedestrian sums it up for me.
We have made our success this season with pace and energy. But we have lost it recently. Movement was slow. Passing was poor. Maguire not in the game as we never get it up top. Barky not taking anyone on. I just wonder if the players are tired now because we have lost our spark. Same story as Friday, poor out of the blocks in the second half cost us. And when chasing he subs have been poor. Horgan and Harrop are excellent from the bench, but Horgan not even on the bench. Just lost out game plan in the end. Buckle up and get ready for next year.
 
Our main forward passers were all on the bench. Still not sure Browne quite advanced at home will help us get enough goals. Probably needed the full backs a bit higher up today too.
 
Agree with the pedestrian sentiment, but disagree about Barky, he was the only player taking anyone on.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
Our main forward passers were all on the bench. Still not sure Browne quite advanced at home will help us get enough goals. Probably needed the full backs a bit higher up today too.
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Yes away from home Browne in that role makes sense. In a must win home game today when the opposition were never gonna have much possession he was totally unnecessary.

And I truely hope he never takes another penalty. He's missed chance after chance inside the area this season. It's a bad, bad decision having him on them. But dunno if that says more about the players who might be shirking the responsibility.

Much like our general approach to set pieces this season. The only guy who's scored from free kicks from outside the box is Harrop. Who never plays.
 
Dreyfuss said:
Yes away from home Browne in that role makes sense. In a must win home game today when the opposition were never gonna have much possession he was totally unnecessary.

And I truely hope he never takes another penalty. He's missed chance after chance inside the area this season. It's a bad, bad decision having him on them. But dunno if that says more about the players who might be shirking the responsibility.

Much like our general approach to set pieces this season. The only guy who's scored from free kicks from outside the box is Harrop. Who never plays.
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To be fair he grabbed the ball off Maguire so I'm afraid he Browne is responsible.

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i don't know why Harrop never plays, his dead ball delivery is far superior to Gallagher's. Take the point though we are far too pedestrian. And at the end of the day we lost because Browne rolled a penalty wide and Huntington? I think it was, gave away a needless free kick and they had the quality of player who could score from a free kick. Apart from that it was just a bad day at the office.
 
Dreyfuss said:
Yes away from home Browne in that role makes sense. In a must win home game today when the opposition were never gonna have much possession he was totally unnecessary.

And I truely hope he never takes another penalty. He's missed chance after chance inside the area this season. It's a bad, bad decision having him on them. But dunno if that says more about the players who might be shirking the responsibility.

Much like our general approach to set pieces this season. The only guy who's scored from free kicks from outside the box is Harrop. Who never plays.
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Don't want to be overly critical because he's had a good season and improved a few aspects of his game, but I completely agree.

He's not scored from open play inside the box this season, just his pen vs Hull and his header from a corner vs Wolves. He's got just one assist too, away at Wolves.

Away from home he's excellent in that role but at home when we have most of the possession and are trying to break teams down, he just becomes a spare part, whilst more creative options are sat on the bench watching on.

It's probably a waste of time even just talking about it though, as it seems like he is Neil's first name on the team sheet regardless of the stats/his performances/the conditions of certain games. He even made a big deal of/criticised the fans for criticising some of Browne's performances when he wasn't playing well, something he hasn't done with anyone else who's taken flak.

Also agree on the pen, he didn't look natural at all and better technicians were on the pitch for us to take it.
 
Dreyfuss said:
Yes away from home Browne in that role makes sense. In a must win home game today when the opposition were never gonna have much possession he was totally unnecessary.

And I truely hope he never takes another penalty. He's missed chance after chance inside the area this season. It's a bad, bad decision having him on them. But dunno if that says more about the players who might be shirking the responsibility.

Much like our general approach to set pieces this season. The only guy who's scored from free kicks from outside the box is Harrop. Who never plays.
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You would have thought that Maguire would be our designated penalty taker ? How ever our overall play was as the OP say Pedestrian, during and after the game talking with the lads I go on with we actually said we played as though it was an end of season game with nothing to play for ?
 
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BeteNoir said:
i don't know why Harrop never plays, his dead ball delivery is far superior to Gallagher's. Take the point though we are far too pedestrian. And at the end of the day we lost because Browne rolled a penalty wide and Huntington? I think it was, gave away a needless free kick and they had the quality of player who could score from a free kick. Apart from that it was just a bad day at the office.
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It was Barkhuizen who commited the needless foul.
 
We are 14th in the home league table, and could be further down with bang average sides like Bolton/Forest able to overtake us with their home game in hand. It’s not a good enough return for a side chasing top 6.

2 home wins this calendar year. 22 goals in 20 home games.

It’s time for AN to look long and hard at team selection at home. I’m okay with 1 up top if there’s enough attackers playing off the no.9, but there isn’t.

Browne should not be playing so far forward at home. He does not set-up goals and isn’t a threat in the box. If AN values his pressing so much and absolutely wants him in the side, let him do his work from a bit deeper. I’m pretty sure we could still rely on Johnson or Harrop as the 10 in front of him to put enough running into pressing.

We need more attacking threats on the pitch as home it’s as simple as that, and that means not persisting with Browne so far forward, especially in games when we know we’ll have most of the ball.

diggerb said:
It was Barkhuizen who commited the needless foul.
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Just like he did at Villa away.
 
kbd_pne said:
We are 14th in the home league table, and could be further down with bang average sides like Bolton/Forest able to overtake us with their home game in hand. It’s not a good enough return for a side chasing top 6.

2 home wins this calendar year. 22 goals in 20 home games.

It’s time for AN to look long and hard at team selection at home. I’m okay with 1 up top if there’s enough attackers playing off the no.9, but there isn’t.

Browne should not be playing so far forward at home. He does not set-up goals and isn’t a threat in the box. If AN values his pressing so much and absolutely wants him in the side, let him do his work from a bit deeper. I’m pretty sure we could still rely on Johnson or Harrop as the 10 in front of him to put enough running into pressing.

We need more attacking threats on the pitch as home it’s as simple as that, and that means not persisting with Browne so far forward, especially in games when we know we’ll have most of the ball.



Just like he did at Villa away.
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Totally agree. Neil doesn't seem to have a plan for home games that shows in the record. His away record is quite something and the style of having browne, a CF and two wingers pushing on the back four high up the pitch works, usually because the oppositions second and third lines are usually more open with the expectancy of their home faithful to attack. We've been found out at home and the opposition follow the same blue print of just camping behind the ball and making sure they are compact and force us back with that compactness as we don't have players on who can put a pass through their lines. Hence time and time again we end up passing sidewards and backwards in midfield before punting it long forward to the striker or Barky and robbo. As much as we've seen a technical improvement and advancement in Alan Brownes game, i don't think he can play in the 10 at home. that needs to be someone with faster feet and an eye for a killer ball like DJ. Thats not to say browne can't drop into the 8 role. Our defenders need to be better on the ball too and push on through the first line from CB with the ball and try to hit through their midfield line as if they keep hoofing it, the number 10 role will be completely void like it has been at times this season.
 
paddysr said:
It's like when the cool kids say that something is sick meaning it is good.
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I'm not a 'cool kid' and I use the word Sick in that way, and have been since the 80's (it came around in the late 70's/early 80's skateboard culture).
 
Muzza said:
I'm not a 'cool kid' and I use the word Sick in that way, and have been since it came around in the late 70's/early 80's skateboard culture.
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I tend to let the skaters off...that and I was mostly being a shit

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kbd_pne said:
We are 14th in the home league table, and could be further down with bang average sides like Bolton/Forest able to overtake us with their home game in hand. It’s not a good enough return for a side chasing top 6.

2 home wins this calendar year. 22 goals in 20 home games.

It’s time for AN to look long and hard at team selection at home. I’m okay with 1 up top if there’s enough attackers playing off the no.9, but there isn’t.

Browne should not be playing so far forward at home. He does not set-up goals and isn’t a threat in the box. If AN values his pressing so much and absolutely wants him in the side, let him do his work from a bit deeper. I’m pretty sure we could still rely on Johnson or Harrop as the 10 in front of him to put enough running into pressing.

We need more attacking threats on the pitch as home it’s as simple as that, and that means not persisting with Browne so far forward, especially in games when we know we’ll have most of the ball.



Just like he did at Villa away.
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I agree.

Hard to criticise AN for the progress made this season but I'm sure he too must be very concerned about the sometimes pedestrian style we play at home and the lack of slick, penetrative attacking play, killer passes and clinical finishing and of course the home results.

The answer surely has to be the inclusion of our most skilful attacking players such as Harrop and Johnson but without sacrificing our shape and defensive solidity.

And for me it seems an easier option to coach the most talented attacking players to defend effectively and instil a hard-working approach than to try and coach flair into players of lesser attacking talent.

We have six games left and a very slim chance of making the play offs so there's nothing to lose in maybe experimenting with this approach for the remaining home matches whilst sticking with the tried and tested away strategy.

Whatever happens it's been a pretty good season and we certainly have the base to build upon.
 
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