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Ryan Ledson

Brianjohn14 said:
Why buy young players who are not quite ready for the first team but they have potential to be a good player so they need games to improve and develop .we need reserve team or under 23s
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As we have not a good record of developing our own from the youth squad that was what we were about buying Ledson, Bayliss and Harrop

It worked with Browne who’s now a regular first Teamer, It might work with the others too, we will see.

However I don’t believe there will be anymore in the near future unless they are free

The Virus situation and the uncertainly over live gates in the future will I believe see to that

Uncle Trevor will be counting every penny
 
Does anyone think O'Reilly or Baxter will make the grade here? I'd rather put the time into them purely based on age.
 
I would give him another deal, the lad has ability.

Not developed as much as he should but he's hardly had a decent run of games in the team.

I guess it would depend on what the situation is with Pearson going forward, can't see him staying much longer & then Ledson would probably play more although he isn't up to his standard but TBH no one in the division is in that role.
 
Is a blind spot of Alex Neil developing younger players?

Just asking the question

He's without question improved a lot of our players but some of these younger talent just don't seem to be getting it
 
California_PNE said:
Is a blind spot of Alex Neil developing younger players?

Just asking the question

He's without question improved a lot of our players but some of these younger talent just don't seem to be getting it
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Bring back Westley he will sort them out

NOOOoooooo
I was only joking
Honestly
 
I think he’s okay but he does have a tendency of absolutely shitting himself when he gets the ball and just twatting it as far as he can.
 
Preston Lad said:
Barring the odd cameo, he hasn’t impressed me one bit.
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That's the point for me though, has he had much of a chance to?

We seem to have a real weak spot at times with players such as Bayliss, Ginelly, Green etc who we sign (or take on loan) & for whatever reason don't get much of a look in then get punted or fired out on loan.

Don't know the stats but I guess Ledson has played more than those 3 put together so he's had more of a chance you could say but even so it seems it's a reoccurring theme.
 
California_PNE said:
Is a blind spot of Alex Neil developing younger players?

Just asking the question

He's without question improved a lot of our players but some of these younger talent just don't seem to be getting it
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Lack of a development team doesn't help.

Can't just play people at Championship level if they're not good enough, it'll cost you, which Ledson has done a few times.

Our recruitment is just a gamble overall, we'll bring in players like Ledson, Ginnelly, Storey, Horgan etc and their limit is probably L1/SPL but because we don't spend big we have to just hope some of them have more developing to do and can suit the system like Barkhuizen, Maguire, Fisher etc.

Maybe the facilities/ resources play a part too, other clubs have massive coaching teams compared to us. Clubs have throw in specialists these days.
 
All 1st and 2nd year pros mainly trained with the youth team last year. They were not always included in bounce games either.

The problem is the blend of players in the squad. We should have 15-20 top players, then 5-8 u23's

Lets face it we haven't had a proper transfer strategy since Grayson left. Neils signings have been shocking and have resulted in the younger lads falling even further down the line. Why buy Ledson/Bayliss/Storey to not play them and have O'Reilly/Baxter/Armer as well!!

If Pearson/Browne/Davies leave are you telling me he will play Ledson/Bayliss/Storey and O'Reilly/Baxter/Armer move up? No he will buy 3 more players, probably shit as well!

As for the goal keepers, wow.......
 
California_PNE said:
Is a blind spot of Alex Neil developing younger players?

Just asking the question

He's without question improved a lot of our players but some of these younger talent just don't seem to be getting it
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The way he improved Alan Browne and threw Ben Davies straight into the team early on with no Championship experience would suggest that improving youngsters isn’t a weak spot of his. He isn’t scared of using them if they’re good enough. Look at when he threw Earl straight in when Cunningham got injured.

The unfortunate reality is that our recruitment and our youth team set up produce young players that often aren’t good enough for this level. That is why AN doesn’t use some of them.

It’s also difficult to fully focus on youth development when you’re in the top 6 and haven’t been in the top flight for around 60 years. Why take risks playing the likes of Ledson instead of our first choice, proven midfield when we’re pushing for promotion? Same with Storey. I think he’s decent and it’s a shame he hasn’t had much game time but there’s no case for using him instead of someone like Bauer.
 
PNETOWER1970 said:
All 1st and 2nd year pros mainly trained with the youth team last year. They were not always included in bounce games either.

The problem is the blend of players in the squad. We should have 15-20 top players, then 5-8 u23's

Lets face it we haven't had a proper transfer strategy since Grayson left. Neils signings have been shocking and have resulted in the younger lads falling even further down the line. Why buy Ledson/Bayliss/Storey to not play them and have O'Reilly/Baxter/Armer as well!!

If Pearson/Browne/Davies leave are you telling me he will play Ledson/Bayliss/Storey and O'Reilly/Baxter/Armer move up? No he will buy 3 more players, probably shit as well!

As for the goal keepers, wow.......
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Who picks the players at PNE though?

I don't think it's been Neil or Grayson.
 
sf said:
Lack of a development team doesn't help.

Can't just play people at Championship level if they're not good enough, it'll cost you, which Ledson has done a few times.

Our recruitment is just a gamble overall, we'll bring in players like Ledson, Ginnelly, Storey, Horgan etc and their limit is probably L1/SPL but because we don't spend big we have to just hope some of them have more developing to do and can suit the system like Barkhuizen, Maguire, Fisher etc. - stil

Maybe the facilities/ resources play a part too, other clubs have massive coaching teams compared to us. Clubs have throw in specialists these days.
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i dont expect these players to walk into our first team without merit, they need to earn their spot. but equally i expect the prospects such as Ledson, Ginnelly, Storey, Bayliss are being 'developed' - whatever that means. my question is, and i say this as big admirer of AN, is this is weakness? none of the mentioned players have broken through although their profile, fitness, pace etc. - you can sort of see whats behind the speculative scouting thats taking place, they're either just not up to it or they are not improving as they should/poor development

maybe it doesnt lie at ANs door, more the club, we've bought these lads, simpson included - not come on enough.

earl is on the precipice too
 
Neil is great at unlocking the potential of players that have shown that they will be good enough, such as Browne and Davies while getting the best out of the likes of Barkhuizen but actual youth development is an area he could do better in. Obviously there's exceptions like Earl but overall I do feel that it's one of AN's few problem areas.

Obviously to some degree it can be attributed to the lack of consistent game time for the younger players but it's definitely an area AN can work on in order to make that leap to becoming a top manager.
 
kbd_pne said:
The way he improved Alan Browne and threw Ben Davies straight into the team early on with no Championship experience would suggest that improving youngsters isn’t a weak spot of his. He isn’t scared of using them if they’re good enough. Look at when he threw Earl straight in when Cunningham got injured.

The unfortunate reality is that our recruitment and our youth team set up produce young players that often aren’t good enough for this level. That is why AN doesn’t use some of them.

It’s also difficult to fully focus on youth development when you’re in the top 6 and haven’t been in the top flight for around 60 years. Why take risks playing the likes of Ledson instead of our first choice, proven midfield when we’re pushing for promotion? Same with Storey. I think he’s decent and it’s a shame he hasn’t had much game time but there’s no case for using him instead of someone like Bauer.
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Take your point, AN really pushed and demanded from Browne to play further forward in his first season, but I would say Grayson was beginning to get more out of him at the time. Davies has been remarkable and AN will of course take a lot of credit for just how exceptional he's turned out to be.

It's an interesting debate, but for someone like bayliss, I'm absolutely not talking about expecting him to be a regular first team player but this signing is prospect, arrives 19/20 years old, already 60+ first team games under his belt, scores a handful of goals and showing great signs - at league 1 level. I'd expect to see this sort of signing to be pushing to be regularly on the bench maybe pushing to get in the side - granted he did have a lengthy injury but not figured at all really.
 
California_PNE said:
Take your point, AN really pushed and demanded from Browne to play further forward in his first season, but I would say Grayson was beginning to get more out of him at the time. Davies has been remarkable and AN will of course take a lot of credit for just how exceptional he's turned out to be.

It's an interesting debate, but for someone like bayliss, I'm absolutely not talking about expecting him to be a regular first team player but this signing is prospect, arrives 19/20 years old, already 60+ first team games under his belt, scores a handful of goals and showing great signs - at league 1 level. I'd expect to see this sort of signing to be pushing to be regularly on the bench maybe pushing to get in the side - granted he did have a lengthy injury but not figured at all really.
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In SG’s last season in charge, Browne registered 0 goals and 0 assists in 31 league games. Personally I thought SG didn’t really find a proper role for him and he was turning into a bit of a nothing player.

The transformation of Browne right from the off the following season was remarkable. Thanks to AN.

As for Bayliss, from what AN said it sounded like he was coasting a bit in training, and he was just starting to improve before he got injured.
 
thought he was going to be the real deal, considering how long we had been chasing him, he looks the part with his physical presence, but sadly like most fans, I have been a bit disappointed.... and that’s putting it mildly !
 
PNETOWER1970 said:
All 1st and 2nd year pros mainly trained with the youth team last year. They were not always included in bounce games either.

The problem is the blend of players in the squad. We should have 15-20 top players, then 5-8 u23's

Lets face it we haven't had a proper transfer strategy since Grayson left. Neils signings have been shocking and have resulted in the younger lads falling even further down the line. Why buy Ledson/Bayliss/Storey to not play them and have O'Reilly/Baxter/Armer as well!!

If Pearson/Browne/Davies leave are you telling me he will play Ledson/Bayliss/Storey and O'Reilly/Baxter/Armer move up? No he will buy 3 more players, probably shit as well!

As for the goal keepers, wow.......
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Just a few points I disagree with. He did play Storey - quite a lot last season. But we needed strengthening in that area so decided to bring in Bauer.
Ledson - He is playing behind probably the best defensive midfield in the league and he has played when Pearson has been suspended/injured. But he just isn't going to start many games whilst Pearson is at the club.
Bayliss - that's a strange one. But as AN said himself if he isn't showing the drive and ambition in training to start matches then he isn't going to start him. AN manages the team and no player is more important than the team no matter how much he costs or what the fans think. He will start playing eventually.

And just to add I don't think Storey or Ledson are shit players. I quite enjoyed Storey's performances last season but it was a young back line and we needed a bit of experience. Ledson needs time but he needs to be taught how to tackle and to calm it a bit in games. He's a good passer off the ball.

I don't think Neil's signings have been shit. (bar the few exceptions) None of them look out of their depth like a certain Liam Grimshaw. Unfortunately they just aren't what they need to start in a promotion chasing side. I reckon the likes of Ledson, Stockley, Bodin could be starting for a bottom half championship team. But I don't blame Neil as he is shopping in a different area than the rest of the promotion chasing sides.
 
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