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Can Westley Learn?

Can Westley Learn?

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Assuming that Westley is not going to get the push this week, which now seems plausible, what future can he have at PNE?

Firstly, let me say that he was not my preferred choice to replace Phil Brown (he probably wasn’t in my top 5), and I’ve been on the fence about his position for most of his tenure. Though obviously I have always wanted him to succeed.

The key thing with me for any manager is the ability to be able to learn and improve – basically that’s what should come with experience. You need to have made mistakes to be able to learn from them. The trick is to not repeat them.

Westley needs to learn primarily in three areas:-

Firstly, he needs to focus on the football. He’s relatively new to managing at this level. Is he a one trick pony that’s now been found out? Given what his done with his life thus far, I have to assume that he’s not a stupid man. Therefore, can he become more aware with his team selections and more astute with his tactics? Recent events show this not to be the case. Why? Is he really ignorant when it comes to football? Is he just stubborn? Is he trying to be a maverick? Whatever the answer, it’s not working. He needs to get back to basics; instil some belief in his players, give them confidence (especially at Deepdale) and keep things simple. He needs to play players in the right positions. And he needs to pick players who are in form. Then he can focus on the tactics. In this regard he seems to have gone backwards. PNE suit 4-4-2. Go back to this. It’s the simplest formation to turn to when things are against you, especially with the squad that we have.

Secondly, he needs to learn from his mistakes in the transfer market. I’m not going to go through all his signings here, but there’s been too many failures. Obviously managers don’t always get it right with signing new players but too many of GW’s signings have lacked one or more of the necessary requirements of ability, application, drive and bottle. I realise that he’s had to sign a lot of players so that makes it harder. What I want to see is, if he is allowed to bring loan players in, will they be an improvement on what he’s already brought to the club?

Finally he needs to work on his PR. He talks a good game. But that’s part of the problem. So far, he has over-promised and under-delivered. He really, really needs to learn when to say nothing. Keeping quiet apart from saying the bare minimum to keep the press happy is so much better than giving a long speech that can only come back to bite him on the arse. He leaves himself wide open to criticism and pressure, which in turn, infects the players. He also needs to win the fans back.

The way I see it, his only path to salvation is to show that he is still learning and that he is willing to admit that some things he has tried haven’t worked. He has to admit to himself when he gets things wrong and avoid repeating the mistakes. That is the only way he can take the club forward.

Finally, he also needs, along with his back room staff, to not bring the name of PNE in to disrepute. Far too many times under his tenure, he or Dino, and thus PNE, seem to have been involved in unsavoury incidents. We are a traditional, family club with a proud heritage. If he wants to keep his job, he needs to learn this too.

Whether or not he’ll get the time to learn, only one man can decide that.
 
Assuming that Westley is not going to get the push this week, which now seems plausible, what future can he have at PNE?

Firstly, let me say that he was not my preferred choice to replace Phil Brown (he probably wasn’t in my top 5), and I’ve been on the fence about his position for most of his tenure. Though obviously I have always wanted him to succeed.

The key thing with me for any manager is the ability to be able to learn and improve – basically that’s what should come with experience. You need to have made mistakes to be able to learn from them. The trick is to not repeat them.

Westley needs to learn primarily in three areas:-

Firstly, he needs to focus on the football. He’s relatively new to managing at this level. Is he a one trick pony that’s now been found out? Given what his done with his life thus far, I have to assume that he’s not a stupid man. Therefore, can he become more aware with his team selections and more astute with his tactics? Recent events show this not to be the case. Why? Is he really ignorant when it comes to football? Is he just stubborn? Is he trying to be a maverick? Whatever the answer, it’s not working. He needs to get back to basics; instil some belief in his players, give them confidence (especially at Deepdale) and keep things simple. He needs to play players in the right positions. And he needs to pick players who are in form. Then he can focus on the tactics. In this regard he seems to have gone backwards. PNE suit 4-4-2. Go back to this. It’s the simplest formation to turn to when things are against you, especially with the squad that we have.

Secondly, he needs to learn from his mistakes in the transfer market. I’m not going to go through all his signings here, but there’s been too many failures. Obviously managers don’t always get it right with signing new players but too many of GW’s signings have lacked one or more of the necessary requirements of ability, application, drive and bottle. I realise that he’s had to sign a lot of players so that makes it harder. What I want to see is, if he is allowed to bring loan players in, will they be an improvement on what he’s already brought to the club?

Finally he needs to work on his PR. He talks a good game. But that’s part of the problem. So far, he has over-promised and under-delivered. He really, really needs to learn when to say nothing. Keeping quiet apart from saying the bare minimum to keep the press happy is so much better than giving a long speech that can only come back to bite him on the arse. He leaves himself wide open to criticism and pressure, which in turn, infects the players. He also needs to win the fans back.

The way I see it, his only path to salvation is to show that he is still learning and that he is willing to admit that some things he has tried haven’t worked. He has to admit to himself when he gets things wrong and avoid repeating the mistakes. That is the only way he can take the club forward.

Finally, he also needs, along with his back room staff, to not bring the name of PNE in to disrepute. Far too many times under his tenure, he or Dino, and thus PNE, seem to have been involved in unsavoury incidents. We are a traditional, family club with a proud heritage. If he wants to keep his job, he needs to learn this too.

Whether or not he’ll get the time to learn, only one man can decide that.

Excellent post, we can only hope!
 
No, he has proven that he believes what he did the the past will little clubs on the up, he will do here.
He has forgotten primarily that our PNE has a long proud history and was respected generally as a good club. All he has done has tarnished this club and failed to give us winning football.

Got to go, or at least be told his year rolling contract has stopped. If this geezer is still at the club at the start of next season, will show what this club means to TH .
 
No he has failed badly with his my way way or no way attitude and he strikes me as someone who does not understand the word compromise. He just cannot recover from this and has seemingly fallen out with most of the better players in the squad. He seems to have no other way this his way. His only chance would to be have a team of his former Stevenage mates but unfortunately they are not good enough at this level and have shown him up.
 
Theres just no point sticking with him. It's like we have the League 1 equivilant of Joe Kinnear. Remember when he was at Newcastle, can you really imagine this meeting happening?

"Well, Joe's got them playing some horrible football, everyone hates him and we keep losing. But we need the continuity and in time he might get it right".

errr...no. So why are we doing it?

Fact is its just not going to work with some managers, and you cant just try to re-mould them for the sake of continuity. We will find a gaffer who does the job eventually, but it's not GW.

I see GW as our transitional manager. He ended the previous era by shipping everyone out, cleared the books and started again. Now it's someone else's job to make that team play.
 
His time obviously is not up. We still have him as manager.
As such unless there is a master plan with increased investment. I'll stick with him.

Grayson, Coyle, Mellon, Davies No guarantees, no cheap option there no previous manager has ever managed North End under these circumstances. FACT
 
Do you know mate iv been.thinking and hoping he would be able to step back take a chill pill and look at it with a wide angle lens. But unfortunatly he's one of those guys who's motto his " its my way or no way' He's beyond hope, I would like to have sit down wuth him like a lot if you guys would and just have a one to one with him but even thats gone now! he l still believe its everybods fault but his. Right from the cancerous growth if the last regium to the fans have been booing me since I first arrived, he will always have something to make him think that all the issues he's created have nothing to do wuth him. To put it into three words hes beyond help
 
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Do you know mate iv been.thinking and hoping he would be able to step back take a chill pill and look at it with a wide angle lens. But unfortunatly he's one of those guys who's motto his " its my way or no way' He's beyond hope, I would like to have sit down wuth him like a lot if you guts would and just have a one to one wuth.him but even Thats gone now. He's dug his heels in he's on the pitch again today, the players will be travelleibg on their own on saturday and he will still believe its everybods fault but his. Right from the cancerous growth if the last regium to the fans have been booing me since I first arrived, he will always have something to make him think that all the issues he's created have nothing to do wuth him. To put it into th
three words hes beyond help

Its beyond a joke and is a sign that Hemmings, Ridsdale and Westley hold the club and its fans in complete and utter contempt.

Only a complete moron would train on the pitch in its current state and then they want people to pay £20 plus to watch people try and play football on it. The man needs removing from his job immediately.

Ridsdale and Westley need to be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible at the next home game.
 
The problem is, if he doesn't get fired, then we're stuck with him. In which case, is there any hope that the situation could improve?

It would need compromise by both GW and the fans - and neither look like happening yet.

That leaves PNE stuck in the middle to pay the price.
 
Do you know mate iv been.thinking and hoping he would be able to step back take a chill pill and look at it with a wide angle lens. But unfortunatly he's one of those guys who's motto his " its my way or no way' He's beyond hope, I would like to have sit down wuth him like a lot if you guys would and just have a one to one with him but even thats gone now! he l still believe its everybods fault but his. Right from the cancerous growth if the last regium to the fans have been booing me since I first arrived, he will always have something to make him think that all the issues he's created have nothing to do wuth him. To put it into three words hes beyond help

Your posts are becoming more and more unreadable. You obviously have a lot of good stuff to say, but it gets lost in your posts. Please put a bit more care into how you type so that we can better understand what you have to say. Thank you.
 
Whatever else he is he's not stupid so I think he can learn but he won't.

It's his way or no way & he'll stick to what he believes in til the bitter end.

God knows where that will leave us.
 
I actually don't want him to learn, improve or stay. If it takes two consecutive 4-0 drubbings at Colchester and Yeovil to remove this buffoon, then I'll take it. First time ever, i do not want North End to win on saturday and give this prick any ammunition to build a case to hang on to his job.
 
So he just needs to brush up on his football coaching, selection, tactics, transfers and media work?

Maybe football management just isn't for him?
 
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