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Be nice to see a few more players upfront anyway, looks like 442 will be all the rage very soon then cause it's all just fashion.
 
What nonsense, of course there’s a place for 4-4-2.

Overlapping wingbacks and wingers pushing forward and covering each side position. One midfielder ready to drop back defensively, one ready to link up as an attacking midfielder. Two men in the box playing off each other getting balls from the wing or through from the centre. I’d rather have that any day than one up front and shite possession football hoping to nick a chance.
 
Nobber said:
What nonsense, of course there’s a place for 4-4-2.

Overlapping wingbacks and wingers pushing forward and covering each side position. One midfielder ready to drop back defensively, one ready to link up as an attacking midfielder. Two men in the box playing off each other getting balls from the wing or through from the centre. I’d rather have that any day than one up front and shite possession football hoping to nick a chance.
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Jumpers for goalposts, two at the back, three, in the middle, four up front, ones gone home for his tea, beans on toast ? possibly, dont quote me on that !!
 
Think it's still a viable option when you're chasing a game.

Not so much a starting formation though because every other team plays a 3 man midfield.

No doubt some top manager will revert back to it one day, everyone will follow suit and then one up front will be 'dead'.
 
sf said:
Think it's still a viable option when you're chasing a game.

Not so much a starting formation though because every other team plays a 3 man midfield.

No doubt some top manager will revert back to it one day, everyone will follow suit and then one up front will be 'dead'.
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A few elite clubs and a few national teams have played a 4-4-2 recently, with 4 central midfielders in what is basically a diamond, with full backs offering width. Definitely on the way back
 
Nishtar36 said:
A few elite clubs and a few national teams have played a 4-4-2 recently, with 4 central midfielders in what is basically a diamond, with full backs offering width. Definitely on the way back
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https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/feat...t-common-formations-rock-paper-scissors-guide

This is quite interesting, including using Neil's Norwich team as one of the examples.

Do we think his tactics have evolved since then or are the key issues (isolated striker basically) still a problem?

I don't see a lot of difference with something like the 4231 system really - it just depends on how quickly you can get your more advanced midfielders up with the striker, something i think we struggle with.
 
Dreyfuss said:
We don't need two strikers up front to create goals. But at times we are effectively playing with ten men, in terms of the no.10 role. Last season Browne could harry better than anyone but his goalscoring (other than worldlys) and assists were poor.

In the two games so far this season Harrop has been given the 10 role but hasn't harried the ball effectively nor has he offered anything in terms of making runs into the box or getting beyond Moult or Nmecha to offer a goal threat.

He's very neat and tidy, his free kick taking is decent - but is he really going to be the key player we need in that role? People moan about Moults pace, I have yet to see Harrop look much of a speed merchant either. He likes to do slow dribbles but by the time he beats one, he's got another defender on top of him.

But I am not just bashing Harrop. I think both Robinson and Barky have been poor so far. Barky in particular looks like he's just not enjoying his football of late. Dunno if he has personal issues or is just unexcited to play football.

But overall I don't really think it's a formation issue. Our whole mentality seems just a bit off. We don't seem willing to go for it - take the ball past a fullback, overload the box etc.

It's just all very timid. Very safe. Much like it was for large parts of last season. And we end up watching Robinson shoot from 25 yards when he just hasn't got that kinda skill in his locker.

Both Nmecha and Moult are the kind of players who will thrive inside the box. But in the two games so far they spent the majority of their time anywhere but inside the box.

If we concede first right now I don't see us scoring two goals. Something has to change. It won't be the formation. But hopefully it will be our mentality. We aren't gonna get promoted by making every scoreline 1-0 or 0-1.
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I think our system has changed from last season, especially the game against QPR and most of pre season. We seem to be more 4-3-3 than 4-2-3-1. Playing with two 8s in Harrop and Browne which interchange who advances towards an attack. We certainly haven't played with an outright 10 in my opinion.
 
Dreyfuss said:
We don't need two strikers up front to create goals. But at times we are effectively playing with ten men, in terms of the no.10 role. Last season Browne could harry better than anyone but his goalscoring (other than worldlys) and assists were poor.

In the two games so far this season Harrop has been given the 10 role but hasn't harried the ball effectively nor has he offered anything in terms of making runs into the box or getting beyond Moult or Nmecha to offer a goal threat.

He's very neat and tidy, his free kick taking is decent - but is he really going to be the key player we need in that role? People moan about Moults pace, I have yet to see Harrop look much of a speed merchant either. He likes to do slow dribbles but by the time he beats one, he's got another defender on top of him.

But I am not just bashing Harrop. I think both Robinson and Barky have been poor so far. Barky in particular looks like he's just not enjoying his football of late. Dunno if he has personal issues or is just unexcited to play football.

But overall I don't really think it's a formation issue. Our whole mentality seems just a bit off. We don't seem willing to go for it - take the ball past a fullback, overload the box etc.

It's just all very timid. Very safe. Much like it was for large parts of last season. And we end up watching Robinson shoot from 25 yards when he just hasn't got that kinda skill in his locker.

Both Nmecha and Moult are the kind of players who will thrive inside the box. But in the two games so far they spent the majority of their time anywhere but inside the box.

If we concede first right now I don't see us scoring two goals. Something has to change. It won't be the formation. But hopefully it will be our mentality. We aren't gonna get promoted by making every scoreline 1-0 or 0-1.
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As I have said on another post fate has dealt AN a poor hand with injuries to Bodin and Maguire.
HOWEVER those on the pitch seem to be playing it safe rather than incur the wrath of the manager and under this system/regime we are going nowhere.We will not to up on 1:0 wins/losses and it's been a while since we looked like scoring a bagful.
As for Barky,when subbed v QPR he ignored AN but high fived backroom staff.Looks like a fall out to me.
 
pnemann10 said:
I think our system has changed from last season, especially the game against QPR and most of pre season. We seem to be more 4-3-3 than 4-2-3-1. Playing with two 8s in Harrop and Browne which interchange who advances towards an attack. We certainly haven't played with an outright 10 in my opinion.
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Yep that’s a good comment tbf. Against QPR, Browne and Harrop were definitely fluid as 2 number 8s ahead of Pearson but the heat map of the game showed that Harrop was our furthest forward player on the pitch with an average position about 15 yards ahead of Browne. Harrops average position was more advanced than Moults.

I’m not sure how well Browne will take to the slightly deeper role, as he lacks the deep creativity that Neil seems to want and he’s not able to press as effectively from his new slightly deeper position. Leaves him as a bit of a spare part IMO.
 
SuffolknWhat said:
As I have said on another post fate has dealt AN a poor hand with injuries to Bodin and Maguire.
HOWEVER those on the pitch seem to be playing it safe rather than incur the wrath of the manager and under this system/regime we are going nowhere.We will not to up on 1:0 wins/losses and it's been a while since we looked like scoring a bagful.
As for Barky,when subbed v QPR he ignored AN but high fived backroom staff.Looks like a fall out to me.
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Do you work for the SUN? They spend all day looking for signs and then blowing it out of proportion.
If there was a fall out Barky wouldn't have started against Swansea FACT.

Also, if you think we are going no where under this regime why don't we just sack the manager and bring someone else in. Might as well considering we are going nowhere.
 
marsbars said:
Apart from the lone striker instead of the 3 😉
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Not really. Most 4-3-3's have two 'wide forwards' who act as advanced wingers looking to get into the box/cross/create chances. 4-3-3 doesn't mean you have to have three proper out and out strikers stood on the edge of the box.
 
Aqueous said:
Not really. Most 4-3-3's have two 'wide forwards' who act as advanced wingers looking to get into the box/cross/create chances. 4-3-3 doesn't mean you have to have three proper out and out strikers stood on the edge of the box.
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Actually tend to agree tbh. Just teasing Nish 🙂
 
White123 said:
Do you work for the SUN? They spend all day looking for signs and then blowing it out of proportion.
If there was a fall out Barky wouldn't have started against Swansea FACT.

Also, if you think we are going no where under this regime why don't we just sack the manager and bring someone else in. Might as well considering we are going nowhere.
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Perhaps i should have said currently going nowhere.New lads need to bed in and (IMO ONLY) we need a more flexible approach. When a team parks the bus we struggle.
Re Barky,who else could have started on the right against potentially one of the big fish in the league? I said it looks like a fall out but that was based on that incident.Perhaps words were exchanged during the game and Bark y doesn't like criticism hence fall out.
All opinion (and I work for the Sunday Sport photographing models)….........I wish.
 
Nishtar36 said:
Yep that’s a good comment tbf. Against QPR, Browne and Harrop were definitely fluid as 2 number 8s ahead of Pearson but the heat map of the game showed that Harrop was our furthest forward player on the pitch with an average position about 15 yards ahead of Browne. Harrops average position was more advanced than Moults.
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Do you have a link to these?
 
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