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Ben Pearson

simo said:
What utter bollocks. Try telling that the players in the Lions-NZ series.

Some of the most intense sport i've ever seen and yet the referee managed to keep control with ease because rugby players are brought up to respect the referee. That's not to say rugby players are angels, far from it, but they know who's boss.

Football has a lot to learn. I could certainly do without pointless breaks in play for stupid offences. Sadly I fear that, because of attitudes like yours, there is no chance of football changing its ways.
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That's why I said by and large.

Why does football have a lot to learn? Surely rugby has a lot to learn given football is by far the most popular sport in the country.
 
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deepdale123 said:
It definitely isn't. Players need to learn respect. The amount of times I've seen Rooney swear at a ref and not even get booked is a disgrace. You can't change a referee's mind by shouting at him, so you should get booked for it.


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That's correct. Only Jedi Mind Control can change it.
 
Kingy said:
That's why I said by enlarge.

Why does football have a lot to learn? Surely rugby has a lot to learn given football is by far the most popular sport in the country.
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The phrase is "by and large" not enlarge, which is possibly why he answered in the way he did.
 
Tino said:
Its the bookings he gets for pulling players back 75 yards from our own goal he needs to cut out. And the giving lip to the officials. It doesn't take long for word to spread and refs to let on to each other about 'problem' players.
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He is a good player but that's neither here nor there if he is gathering splinters due to yellows or reds
Interestingly I watched him have a good few hissy fits last season and i didn't see too many of his colleagues calming him, i feel a whale music and wind chime cassette wouldn't go amiss being played prior to kick off in the dressing room
 
edgy said:
He is a good player but that's neither here nor there if he is gathering splinters due to yellows or reds
Interestingly I watched him have a good few hissy fits last season and i didn't see too many of his colleagues calming him, i feel a whale music and wind chime cassette wouldn't go amiss being played prior to kick off in the dressing room
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You'd then get a load of pussies coming out onto the pitch and we'd probably be relegated...but relegated the " proper " way..with decorum..... 🙂
 
simo said:
What utter bollocks. Try telling that the players in the Lions-NZ series.

Some of the most intense sport i've ever seen and yet the referee managed to keep control with ease because rugby players are brought up to respect the referee. That's not to say rugby players are angels, far from it, but they know who's boss.

Football has a lot to learn. I could certainly do without pointless breaks in play for stupid offences. Sadly I fear that, because of attitudes like yours, there is no chance of football changing its ways.
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I was just thinking about the Lions-NZ series myself. What brilliant and highly competitive and intense 3 matches. So much more goes on in a game of rugby then football (in terms of what the referee has to deal with.) and they deal with this very well. Another point - in the third match when the ref changed his mind about the penalty (last kick of the game pretty much) they didn't all run over shouting in the ref's ear. Football has more competitions, more fans watch it etc but I still feel they can learn so much more from rugby. Rugby players hardly earn anything compared to football players yet they still show much more respect to the ref's etc.
 
Kingy said:
That's why I said by and large.

Why does football have a lot to learn? Surely rugby has a lot to learn given football is by far the most popular sport in the country.
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Course it does! More respect given to ref's, sin bin. They are two completely different sports - most fans like football but that is because there is a lot more professional football clubs then rugby clubs. My closest league football team is Preston. If I was going to watch rugby then it would be Wigan. England rugby team show so much more fight then England football team will ever do, so yes football could do a lot by learning from rugby.
 
White123 said:
Course it does! More respect given to ref's, sin bin. They are two completely different sports - most fans like football but that is because there is a lot more professional football clubs then rugby clubs. My closest league football team is Preston. If I was going to watch rugby then it would be Wigan. England rugby team show so much more fight then England football team will ever do, so yes football could do a lot by learning from rugby.
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Of course they show more "fight", given rugby is just wrestling on grass.

Part of a referee's job is to deal with the player's frustration, usually made by themselves making a wrong decision anyway!
 
Kingy said:
Of course they show more "fight", given rugby is just wrestling on grass.

Part of a referee's job is to deal with the player's frustration, usually made by themselves making a wrong decision anyway!
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That's actually an interesting point............ How many times does a rugby refereee fuck up as opposed to Football?............. And why?........ Because rugby rules are a lot more clear cut and the games a darn site slower?...........
 
Liberation said:
That's actually an interesting point............ How many times does a rugby refereee fuck up as opposed to Football?............. And why?........ Because rugby rules are a lot more clear cut and the games a darn site slower?...........
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Rugby refs get the video / 2nd ref help. The nature of the speed of football means, imo, we should steer clear from video referees.
 
simo said:
What utter bollocks. Try telling that the players in the Lions-NZ series.

Some of the most intense sport i've ever seen and yet the referee managed to keep control with ease because rugby players are brought up to respect the referee. That's not to say rugby players are angels, far from it, but they know who's boss.

Football has a lot to learn. I could certainly do without pointless breaks in play for stupid offences. Sadly I fear that, because of attitudes like yours, there is no chance of football changing its ways.
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I think this is a myth. Rugby is a contact sport and if it gets out of hand it can and does end up in a spectacular brawl. When was the last time you saw a football player punch someone out on a football pitch (and football is played more often) and break their jaw?


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Kingy said:
Rugby refs get the video / 2nd ref help. The nature of the speed of football means, imo, we should steer clear from video referees.
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Yeah it should be hard to argue when the ref is saying it was decided or confirmed by the video ref. Didn't stop some trying during the Confed Cup though.
 
Kingy said:
Rugby refs get the video / 2nd ref help. The nature of the speed of football means, imo, we should steer clear from video referees.
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You'd probably be right if we had individual, impartial decission making ..Unfortunately in football there are a large proportion of referees that think the game is all about them ( power mad if you will )........ Therefore I'd have to disagree and go the opposite way....... In fact if it wasn't for some of the tits in charge there might not be as much dissention as there is......You've played football..Some real arsehole traffic wardens that couldn't kick a ball to save their lives....... Ex footballers are always the best...
 
Liberation said:
You'd probably be right if we had individual, impartial decission making ..Unfortunately in football there are a large proportion of referees that think the game is all about them ( power mad if you will )........ Therefore I'd have to disagree and go the opposite way....... In fact if it wasn't for some of the tits in charge there might not be as much dissention as there is......You've played football..Some real arsehole traffic wardens that couldn't kick a ball to save their lives....... Ex footballers are always the best...
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Very well said.
 
Waltz said:
I think this is a myth. Rugby is a contact sport and if it gets out of hand it can and does end up in a spectacular brawl. When was the last time you saw a football player punch someone out on a football pitch (and football is played more often) and break their jaw?


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Fair enough but the conversation was about the respect and authority of the referee rather than punching out your opponent!

FWIW if referees started consistently and properly applying the laws and were supported in doing so from above football would be a better game to watch and play within weeks. Yep, the first week or two would be a farce as players adjusted but before long the likes of diving, dissent etc would disappear as players learnt the consequences.
 
Kingy said:
Of course they show more "fight", given rugby is just wrestling on grass.

Part of a referee's job is to deal with the player's frustration, usually made by themselves making a wrong decision anyway!
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"wrestling on grass" is a bit ironic when you consider what happens in the penalty area at every free kick and corner.
 
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