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OH DEAR!!
EX PNE as well!!!
EX PNE as well!!!
Big Sam
Re: Big Sam
Indeed, I always assumes that Phil Gartside(sp) was a decent person and all.
Indeed, I always assumes that Phil Gartside(sp) was a decent person and all.
Re: Big Sam
A really shoddy program that proved nothing.
I'm sure Sam and Harry have nothing to worry about.
If there were 18 names being named why didn't we hear them. Utter garbage!!
A really shoddy program that proved nothing.
I'm sure Sam and Harry have nothing to worry about.
If there were 18 names being named why didn't we hear them. Utter garbage!!
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dannypne7
Re: Big Sam
I agree - what a load of nonsense and very little of any substance at all. For all anyone knows, Craig Allardyce was just boasting about the relationship he has with his dad and Bolton Wanderers.
Probably there are a few bungs flying around, but they're mainly being paid between agents, who everyone knows are corrupt anyway.
Just wasted an hour watching that dirge. 🙄
Libertine said:
I agree - what a load of nonsense and very little of any substance at all. For all anyone knows, Craig Allardyce was just boasting about the relationship he has with his dad and Bolton Wanderers.
Probably there are a few bungs flying around, but they're mainly being paid between agents, who everyone knows are corrupt anyway.
Just wasted an hour watching that dirge. 🙄
Re: Big Sam
What makes me laugh is I've actually contributed my hard earned money so that they can make that program.
Now that's the sort of corruption I'd like someone to look into!!!!!!
Be nice to see if the premierships managers do interviews on MOTD this weekend.
What makes me laugh is I've actually contributed my hard earned money so that they can make that program.
Now that's the sort of corruption I'd like someone to look into!!!!!!
Be nice to see if the premierships managers do interviews on MOTD this weekend.
brianherron
The Gentry (RIP)
Re: Big Sam
Simple answer - ban all agents after all they do nothing useful and only take large amounts of money out of football - look how much they cost PNE last year (£400K+ I believe).
Simple answer - ban all agents after all they do nothing useful and only take large amounts of money out of football - look how much they cost PNE last year (£400K+ I believe).
Re: Big Sam
I don't understand what your problem is with this programme. Don't we, the fans, have a right to know what our clubs are up to? Would you rather the story about Sam remained under wraps so he can have a nice, easy (allegedly) bung-filled life? Would you rather the fans, who pay money to their club, live in blissful ignorance?
How do you even know for sure that there is serious corruption at Chelsea? Accusations and conjecture like that sound more like lazy journalism to me than any of the stuff on Panorama tonight.
This term 'lazy journalism' is bandied around far too much these days by people who clearly have no idea of what is involved. And spare a thought for the sponging journalism students, graduating with upwards of £20,000 of debt (and going into organisations that pay some of the lowest wages around) in that glorious life of theirs, fat on your taxes. Get with the times.
spudpie said:
I don't understand what your problem is with this programme. Don't we, the fans, have a right to know what our clubs are up to? Would you rather the story about Sam remained under wraps so he can have a nice, easy (allegedly) bung-filled life? Would you rather the fans, who pay money to their club, live in blissful ignorance?
How do you even know for sure that there is serious corruption at Chelsea? Accusations and conjecture like that sound more like lazy journalism to me than any of the stuff on Panorama tonight.
This term 'lazy journalism' is bandied around far too much these days by people who clearly have no idea of what is involved. And spare a thought for the sponging journalism students, graduating with upwards of £20,000 of debt (and going into organisations that pay some of the lowest wages around) in that glorious life of theirs, fat on your taxes. Get with the times.
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Re: Big Sam
I really expected a lot more of the bbc. This was a pathetic expose on a level with the Suns pathetic kiss and tell stories.
One thing I have noticed from these style of secret filming documentaries is that ALL business meetings seem to look a bit more dodgy when a wobbly out of focus camera is filming it.
The BBC should be ashamed of themselves for stooping so low and I hope Sam takes them to court for making unfounded allegations.
I really expected a lot more of the bbc. This was a pathetic expose on a level with the Suns pathetic kiss and tell stories.
One thing I have noticed from these style of secret filming documentaries is that ALL business meetings seem to look a bit more dodgy when a wobbly out of focus camera is filming it.
The BBC should be ashamed of themselves for stooping so low and I hope Sam takes them to court for making unfounded allegations.
Re: Big Sam
Find another occupation then!!!!
Programme was dire, not lazy journalism, but crap journalism. I got the impression that because they'd spent so long and so much effort and money filming it all, thay HAD to make some sort of programme out of the footage.
cragtek said:
Find another occupation then!!!!
Programme was dire, not lazy journalism, but crap journalism. I got the impression that because they'd spent so long and so much effort and money filming it all, thay HAD to make some sort of programme out of the footage.
Re: Big Sam
No ta, tried that!
Personally I think exposing ANY corruption in the game is the important thing. We don't need it in football and these things have to be revealed. It may be that now more managers will come forward, fearful of being on the receiving end of such stings - and that can only be a good thing for the game, however dull the programme may have been.
bezza said:
No ta, tried that!
Personally I think exposing ANY corruption in the game is the important thing. We don't need it in football and these things have to be revealed. It may be that now more managers will come forward, fearful of being on the receiving end of such stings - and that can only be a good thing for the game, however dull the programme may have been.
brianherron
The Gentry (RIP)
Re: Big Sam
I think the FA will do FA about it because the corruption (and that's what it is) runs from the top (remember Svens arab sting?) right down to the scouts and other club reps.cragtek said:
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Re: Big Sam
18 months in the making that heap of shit must have cost thousands of pounds of taxpayers money, hot on the heels of the footy hooliganism thing, Panorama is sympatamic of how the Beeb is becoming some kind of cheap gossip rag, all paid for by our licence fee
18 months in the making that heap of shit must have cost thousands of pounds of taxpayers money, hot on the heels of the footy hooliganism thing, Panorama is sympatamic of how the Beeb is becoming some kind of cheap gossip rag, all paid for by our licence fee
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pnegirl78
Re: Big Sam
I do very much agree with you in that it is important to reveal "any" corruption within football , but i also feel that after watching panorama, i am at a loss to know why after showing us a snipet of the chelsea scout, obviously breachin fa rules ,they didnt follow that up further and see just how far up the chain of command those breeches were known within chelsea football club . I appreciate journalism (cos hell i buy the papers ) but it seems to me imho that tonights "expose" was focused on 1 of the lesser financially better off clubs within the premiership (not that many of em r that skint anyway ) could it be that the money chelsea and other such top clubs command has scared off journalism to the point where it is just easier to leave well alone ? I do not mean to offend by this just mearly pose the question !
cragtek said:
I do very much agree with you in that it is important to reveal "any" corruption within football , but i also feel that after watching panorama, i am at a loss to know why after showing us a snipet of the chelsea scout, obviously breachin fa rules ,they didnt follow that up further and see just how far up the chain of command those breeches were known within chelsea football club . I appreciate journalism (cos hell i buy the papers ) but it seems to me imho that tonights "expose" was focused on 1 of the lesser financially better off clubs within the premiership (not that many of em r that skint anyway ) could it be that the money chelsea and other such top clubs command has scared off journalism to the point where it is just easier to leave well alone ? I do not mean to offend by this just mearly pose the question !
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Re: Big Sam
It was very dissapointing, but there's always that risk with these programmes. I suppose it's easier to do the more straightforward projects, such as discovering that there are racists in the BNP...
If that £50,000 grand lead had paid off, I daresay we'd all have been a bit more impressed .
At any rate, it will have cost far less to make than the next high profile dramaa involving TV actors shuffling their way awkwardly (albeit in excellent focus) through Dickens, Hardy, or Austen.
And we all watched it. All the way through. It was pretty entertaining even though it was overhyped and a bit of a damp squib.
It was very dissapointing, but there's always that risk with these programmes. I suppose it's easier to do the more straightforward projects, such as discovering that there are racists in the BNP...
If that £50,000 grand lead had paid off, I daresay we'd all have been a bit more impressed .
At any rate, it will have cost far less to make than the next high profile dramaa involving TV actors shuffling their way awkwardly (albeit in excellent focus) through Dickens, Hardy, or Austen.
And we all watched it. All the way through. It was pretty entertaining even though it was overhyped and a bit of a damp squib.
Re: Big Sam
I certainly wasn't offended 🙂
I have to agree that it's a bit frustrating the Chelsea connection wasn't explored further, what with all the speculation, but 'tapping up' a 15-year-old (non-professional footballer) who may or may not amount to nothing in the bigger picture hardly seemed like good grounds for continuing to pry. I don't think we learnt anything new there - big clubs keep tabs on young players all the time.
I think the programme had the right idea focusing on the bungs. It takes something simple to get the ball rolling and I really do think we might see the game open up a bit now and others follow the suit of Mike Newell.
Chelsea no doubt have tough security and big money vetting procedures, but now the idea is out there, you can bet your bottom dollar more and more journalists will be trying their luck at infiltrating the big clubs and one day... one day.. the truth - if there is a truth - will out.
Agree with Brian though - I will be very surprised if the FA do anything about it.
I certainly wasn't offended 🙂
I have to agree that it's a bit frustrating the Chelsea connection wasn't explored further, what with all the speculation, but 'tapping up' a 15-year-old (non-professional footballer) who may or may not amount to nothing in the bigger picture hardly seemed like good grounds for continuing to pry. I don't think we learnt anything new there - big clubs keep tabs on young players all the time.
I think the programme had the right idea focusing on the bungs. It takes something simple to get the ball rolling and I really do think we might see the game open up a bit now and others follow the suit of Mike Newell.
Chelsea no doubt have tough security and big money vetting procedures, but now the idea is out there, you can bet your bottom dollar more and more journalists will be trying their luck at infiltrating the big clubs and one day... one day.. the truth - if there is a truth - will out.
Agree with Brian though - I will be very surprised if the FA do anything about it.
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pnegirl78
Re: Big Sam
I sincerley hope this is this case. Just makes you think that, if we do make it into the premiership (all my fingers and toes crossed + i do have belief in simmo) we dont need the disadvantage of all the bigger clubs havin a wink wink nudge nudge, theres your private jet ,agent on their side ! I just hope more journo's do have the bottle to take it on and let us know the truth ! ps on a personal note was absolutley gutted to find out "big" sam was "supposedly"involved in all this ! always had alot of respect him actually wanted him as englang manager ! still would if he's innocent !
cragtek said:
I sincerley hope this is this case. Just makes you think that, if we do make it into the premiership (all my fingers and toes crossed + i do have belief in simmo) we dont need the disadvantage of all the bigger clubs havin a wink wink nudge nudge, theres your private jet ,agent on their side ! I just hope more journo's do have the bottle to take it on and let us know the truth ! ps on a personal note was absolutley gutted to find out "big" sam was "supposedly"involved in all this ! always had alot of respect him actually wanted him as englang manager ! still would if he's innocent !