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Is it really good PR for PNE publicising Biily Barr's rage week in week out with regards to the below par Reserve's performances? When I read the articles on the reserve team on official website I simply get a negative feeling. 🙁

Good to see Callum was 'pick of the bunch' and that was with an own goal! 😱 Jeez, the rest of them must have been woeful. 😱
 
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Jacob's Mouse said:
Is it really good PR for PNE publicising Biily Barr's rage week in week out with regards to the below par Reserve's performances? When I read the articles on the reserve team on official website I simply get a negative feeling. 🙁

Good to see Callum was 'pick of the bunch' and that was with an own goal! 😱 Jeez, the rest of them must have been woeful. 😱
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I have copied and pasted my commest from anothe thread mate as i think it answers this question too.

I THINK i disagree, we are always moaning about clarity and transparency in football and that supporters are not told the whole thing but when the managers come out and report of certain problems they get panned for not keeping it in house.

If the manager came out and said say, "When he is earning £2,000 a week and JARRETT refuses to play" it is a disgrace i admit as he has revealed personal details and singled out a player but simmo and barr have just said there are certain peiople not functioning at the club and this could be anyone, even nugent, we can speculate but i am behind simmo on this one.
 
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It's good that it makes some people happy...

It's still incredibly amateurish, and it highights Barr's refusal to take responsibility for failing to motivate his players, when things were working perfectly well before he "improved" things with his brand new action man approach.

One of PNE's biggest ever squads, and we have apparently the worst reserve team in the country... must be that these players have got an inherently bad attitude, then?
 
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Sorry didn't see this thread, put Callum Davidson's view on the matter on the other one..will put on here also:-

Callum Davidson has denied there is mutiny in the ranks at Preston over reserve team football.
North End's second string crashed to their fifth straight defeat against lowly Rochdale on Wednesday – despite fielding 10 senior players.

Later reserve coach Billy Barr went on the warpath for the second time in a fortnight, claiming some had been sulking over having to play in the stiffs.

He exempted Scotland international Davidson and striker Brett Ormerod from criticism, saying their attitude had been 'tremendous'.

But Davidson, who is battling to get back to full fitness after a knee operation, insisted: "There is no mutiny, everything is fine, everything is good.

"It is difficult if you are not playing in the first team because you are not going to be happy.

"Personally I think reserve games are hard. You have really got to be mentally strong to play in them, especially guys who have been dropped from the 16 and who feel they are not really in the plans.

"It is very hard to go out there and motivate yourself in front of no fans and no atmosphere. You have to be mentally switched on to do it."

Barr felt some players were not switched on at all for Wednesday's 2-0 defeat at Deepdale – the club now sits embarrassingly at the foot of the Pontins Holidays League Division One West without a solitary point.

And Barr, who won the league with Carlisle's second string last season, was fuming over the performance of some players.
 
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pne4eva2003 said:
And Barr, who won the league with Carlisle's second string last season, was fuming over the performance of some players.
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There's an old cliche in football that say's 'You don't become a bad un overnight.' A cliche maybe, but it's true.

Billy Barr's track record clearly shows he knows what he's doing with a reserve team. Now look at PNE reserves track record. So shite that the previous regime were gonna throw the towel in and pull them out of the league!

This negative attitude toward reserve team football within the club clearly stems from the previous set up when the reserves were considered a "Drain on resources." Now we've got a managment team who actually know what a reserve team is for, many of the players can't get their head round it.

It's time these wasters started earning the obscene amount of money they are paid each week, instead of harking back to the 'good old days' when the poisoned dwarf was in charge and the reserves were a doss about that nobody gave a shit about.

Get em told Billy Barr! And if they don't like it, they can hand in a transfer request. If they're man enough.
 
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gingerwhite said:
Billy Barr's track record clearly shows he knows what he's doing with a reserve team. .
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It shows he knows what he's doing with a team of kids and journeymen who are no better than he was.

He's got a bit more on his plate now. That was a shocking result yesterday.
 
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yes its embarressing reading such results/comments but maybe thats a good thing. turn your negative into a positive. i'd phrase it a 'kick up the arse in public' for the players.
 
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But how many times are they going to get kicked up the arse before Barr notices it's not working all that brilliantly?

His methods worked at Carlisle and aren't working here. The methods we used last year took us to second in a crap league. The methods we're using now have taken us to the worst reserve performance imaginable.

So the players are branded disloyal/lazy/etc. They get shipped out for next to nothing. Good riddance....

How exactly does that benefit Preston North End?
 
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Watched first 30 minutes of the reserves yesterday. In that time Callum, Brett and Andy Smith, yes Andy Smith all looked interested if not lively.

However and I know its 30 minutes only Neil Mellor looked slow and overweight. He reminded me of a latter day Ronnie Jepson but slower!
first impressions I accept but the lad should surely be getting fittish by now?

I hope I live to regret these early criticisms but as a fat lad I know when I meet my sort, and yesterday I met one.
 
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White Horse 44 said:
However and I know its 30 minutes only Neil Mellor looked slow and overweight. He reminded me of a latter day Ronnie Jepson but slower!
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A hatrick on his debut versus the dingles beckons then...roll on the 27th Oct!
 
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Oofaafuu said:
This "wreck it" methodology of loudmouth Billy Barr somehow thinking that shaming players that are consigned to the stiffs is the best motivator of men - wrong wrong wrong.

Very dangerous tactics IMHO, might work, but most likely will push a few more over the Jarrett type edge.

They cannot name those accused as a group of lacking commitment, as that would give anyone of the affected players a green light to sue for constructive dismissal - they bad mouth them in public, it goes to print via Ellis - bingo - constructing a conflict publically that should be resolved internally.

Using the media is risky, somebody should tell Barr that.
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Billy Barr strikes me as someone who likes to win - even if it is only a reserve game. It hurts him badly when the team loses especially if he believes they are not trying. And he seems to think some of the players don't care.

The results against lowly reserve opposition have been shocking. Had these been first team games, Billy Barr wouldn't have to say owt cos it would be the fans who would be having a go at the players.
 
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A suggestion:

Could somebody arrange



Fans' Forum with Billy Barr as the special guest


... with maybe supporting act from some of "Billy's choices" a la Jason Jarrett 🙄


Should be fun, although I'm afraid not that constructive 😱
 
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If players aren't performing they should be told. Whether that should be done in public or not is another question.

Personally I beleieve that players should be held to account for their performances-after all, if results go wrong then managers get it in the neck pretty quickly, well I feel the players should feel that too.

No player is bigger than the club, playing reserve team football is a time honoured way of increasing or maintaining fitness, overcoming bad form and generally keeping conditioned. It is vital that players play as hard as possible to keep match sharp-if they don't play in the reserves with commitment, then they should not be selected for first team football.

There's only 1 player that I know of who was allowed to just turn up and play-John McGrath formerly of Aston Villa-but he was a bloody genius, Jarrett et al are nowhere near his class.
 
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Madferret said:
No player is bigger than the club, playing reserve team football is a time honoured way of increasing or maintaining fitness, overcoming bad form and generally keeping conditioned. It is vital that players play as hard as possible to keep match sharp-if they don't play in the reserves with commitment, then they should not be selected for first team football..
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I take it you were inherently opposed to 60% of our selections last season? You know, given that most of the players spent some time arseing around absent mindedly in the reserves last season (albeit actually winning), but somehow still managed to make the playoffs.

If the reserves are important (and I don't know) then maybe we could do with a half decent reserve team manager? You know, rather than one who vilifies players in public and, in return, can't even get the most talented squad in his league to so much as draw against league 2 school children.

But no matter how fun it is to see the fat cat players shouted at by someone like Barr who was Born To Win, I still fail to see what exactly these oldskool rants are achieving? As far as I can make out, the best case scenario is that we manage to get a sometime talented midfielder or two to leave the club for a nominal fee?
 
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and as for't ref gary... said:
I take it you were inherently opposed to 60% of our selections last season? You know, given that most of the players spent some time arseing around absent mindedly in the reserves last season (albeit actually winning), but somehow still managed to make the playoffs.

If the reserves are important (and I don't know) then maybe we could do with a half decent reserve team manager? You know, rather than one who vilifies players in public and, in return, can't even get the most talented squad in his league to so much as draw against league 2 school children.

But no matter how fun it is to see the fat cat players shouted at by someone like Barr who was Born To Win, I still fail to see what exactly these oldskool rants are achieving? As far as I can make out, the best case scenario is that we manage to get a sometime talented midfielder or two to leave the club for a nominal fee?
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I think it is awful of that nasty Billy Barr to criticise the players for not trying just because they are not trying. He just needs to ask them nicely. Bet he's never thought of that.
 
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Cygnus Alpha said:
I think it is awful of that nasty Billy Barr to criticise the players for not trying just because they are not trying. He just needs to ask them nicely. Bet he's never thought of that.
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Yeah yeah, they're overpaid and need a kick up the arse.

Still, it's not working, is it?
 
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and as for't ref gary... said:
Yeah yeah, they're overpaid and need a kick up the arse.

Still, it's not working, is it?
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Well give it a few more games and if Barr still doesn't get the best out of them, I say sack him and get this man in to be really nice to the players. That will get results.

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"Every fair minded fan will agree that we were unlucky to lose to Rochdale's reserves..."
 
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