Is there genuine mileage in the - 'Ridsdale in charge of player transfers & player targets' theory ?
Oh, my dismay ☹️ if that is true.
Bored.
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Oh, my dismay ☹️ if that is true.
In the same place as you, JK.
Club is just boring. No ambition. No flair in the squad. No style, shape or "look". No youth coming through. No transfer plans. No transfer fees. Nothing.
I've said it before but its becoming more apparent. Give me two seasons of fuckery down to League Two for a chance at a complete refresh of the club off and on the pitch.
My son is 2 1/2. Right now I'd actively discourage him from supporting PNE. Which goes completely against what I would do in the past. It would just feel like child abuse to force him into a lifetime of misery and apathy with a football club. It shouldn't be like that.
I don't expect PNE to the Champions League. But I do expect a football club to be aspiring. To be planning for the next step up, whatever that next step is.
Oh really, that's terrible is true. ( & v. likely so )
Which one of the chuffing three that they own?
Not that any of them are ideal.
Wonder which one of those was mentioned 🤔 - er, not.
All very logical to me and you, but to a 13-year old? Get real. I supported Blackburn when i was 9 (it was 1994-95). Only caught the PNE bug in the BAXI years 96-onwards.
Just the Dullest.
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I think this attitude is very old-fashioned.
PNE has to compete with alternative football offerings for punters' interest and cash, not just put any old shit out and sniffily say "they should support us automatically" - those days are gone.
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For those of us of a certain age, historically having families living & breathing PNE, we are tied by bonds which (up until recently) were considered unbreakable.
If we are now questioning our allegiance, not to PNE, but to the shower running the club, things are unbelievably bad.
Those younger, who do not yet perhaps have that tie, will, as you say noel, will find it easier to buy into perceived “greener grass” in relatively local teams who accept the Sky dollar & bring vicarious joy in performances from teams with planning, ambition, financial investment in their “brand” and playing staff.
Very sad times & I am glad my mother & other past PNE fanatics are not here to see the sorry state of the club, & have their loyalties tested too.
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The problem is not with the fanbase, potential or existing; young or old.
The problem is with those who are driving the club into the doldrums & removing any realistic reason to have allegiance to the club.
If the owners/PR have no interest in the club, why should fans?
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Record season ticket sales.
Record investment by fans for initiatives.
Large numbers following us away.
New found engagement by the fans for all things PNE.
The fans have played our part.
Have they?
Indeed - I'm now planning for my son to "want" to be a fan of either Liverpool or Man United - which I can't accept. So I'm working out which team is the least annoying "elite" team to be acceptable to support alongside PNE... Any ideas? I can think of reasons against all of them, the only ones less annoying than the others are Arsenal and Tottenham. But still I feel like I'm cheating just considering it - even though I know it will happen!
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well he seems to talk about them a hell of a lot and argues with fans about them on facebook.
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I don't agree, Thracia. If there is a football club on your doorstep, I believe you should support them. A majority have no real connection to Manchester United/Liverpool (other than they win things). Football isn't a TV show. I would much rather go to a match and watch us get slapped 4-0 then watching a team 50 miles away via my Sky Sports Season Ticket. Just my take.
My Dad is from Preston. My Mum is from Wallasey. My Mum's brother has travelled all over the globe watching Liverpool. He has stories about when they won the European Cup in Rome/Paris. Beating Chelsea to win the League in the 80's and he was in Madrid the other year when they won the Champions League.
I could have quite easily followed that glory but I didn't because I decided to follow my local side and follow my Dad's team (a truly terrible decision, of course). However, my point is, I chose Preston because I grew up there and I feel a sense of belonging at Deepdale. I would never feel that an Anfield or United. At 13 you are more than old enough to make that decision. I had friends bullying me constantly about us in League 1 as they were all fans of big 6 sides. But in reality, I know that if we ever get some sort of success the enjoyment I will get from that will be 10 times more than what they will get when they win something with them watching it on TV.
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The only positive in this disastrous situation is that I don’t have to deal with your dilemma Keith.
Life was easier as a parent bringing kids into the PNE fold during the Baxi/Moyes/KBD etc eras.
I don’t have an answer to your question, I find it impossible to consider loyalty/being part of a fanbase of any other club. 🤷♂️
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Not necessarily just about throwing money around. The football being served up is bordering on unwatchable. We have a few players capable of providing some entertainment, but Lowe doesn't appear too keen on that aspect of the game so they don't make the team more often than not. I personally think he is way out of his depth and can't wait to see the back.of.him. Whilst I know there will be those asking what manager could do better with this squad, I honestly think there are plenty. It was noticeable that when we went down to ten men against Luton, we appeared to dispense with the Lowe brand and Fernando took matters into his own hands and actually provided some glimpses of entertainment for us........ surprised Lowe didn't sub him. Yes, we need a much much better recruitment team, yes we need to spend more wisely but above all we need a manager who knows how to manage a championship team that will entertain us and even win, or draw, a few games at home. If he can't get 11players from this squad to create a few goal scoring opportunities in 90mins, then he is in the wrong job. That's how low he (Lowe) has lowered the bar, I and the others who sit near me are only asking us to actually CREATE SOME CHANCES, get us off our seats. It is some of the dreariest , dullest football I have witnessed at Deepdale in over 40 years of watching. I actually go to Deepdale expecting a draw (if we can keep the other team out) otherwise a defeat is the expectation.
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I don't disagree at all mate. And I'm never going to support another club.
And my son might support PNE anyway, without me trying. Problem is, I don't go on many games. If we could even just become slightly exciting, that might help. Exciting at League One level, that might be enough.
But you know how kids are. Bullying is horrible. Schools do fuck all about it - specifically the verbal bullying. Sticks and stones is horseshit, we all know that. And with social media now, its an ongoing concern for me as my two kids grow up. I've got that all to come! So I suppose I'm just covering the eventualities now in case.
My plan is to get him into gokarting anyway so we will see what happens!!
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Of course - in no way am I saying your lad should put up with bullying because he should support PNE! Whatever makes him happy at the end of the day.
I guess my point was that even though we are absolutely crap, I know that I have had a brilliant time going onto the game with my Dad and seeing us do well (in very small periods) and I would never get that same connection if I was to go and support a big 6 side and watch from home. Personally, I don't think that football should be viewed as a TV show.
You'd probably do him a favour anyway by avoiding PNE. He'd be depressed by the time he was 15. Stick with the Karting 🤣
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