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Captain Ledson

I know who I want, and I don't think it's out of the question.

Chris Wilder.

I'm probably going to get some stick for this, but it's hard to see where else he'd go right now, it won't be a Premier League club, that's for sure.
I actually don't think he'd suit us at all, apparently he wants control over transfers and had a bit of a bust up with the higher ups when they wanted to bring someone in to take over transfers after he pissed £40m down the drain for Brewster and Ramsdale, never mind the other £30-odd-m the season before. I'm not convinced by him honestly, got massively found out albeit by the league above
 
But then we lose the new weapon that is the long throw.

Leave the team as it is, they are 2 unbeaten and deserve to start v Brentford.
I think this was intended as a strategy specifically against Swansea. Cooper said in his post-match interview that they’ve conceded from long throws in three consecutive games now. Shows McAvoy does his homework which is encouraging.
 
I actually don't think he'd suit us at all, apparently he wants control over transfers and had a bit of a bust up with the higher ups when they wanted to bring someone in to take over transfers after he pissed £40m down the drain for Brewster and Ramsdale, never mind the other £30-odd-m the season before. I'm not convinced by him honestly, got massively found out albeit by the league above
But he did get them promoted with a budget similar to ours.
 
I actually don't think he'd suit us at all, apparently he wants control over transfers and had a bit of a bust up with the higher ups when they wanted to bring someone in to take over transfers after he pissed £40m down the drain for Brewster and Ramsdale, never mind the other £30-odd-m the season before. I'm not convinced by him honestly, got massively found out albeit by the league above
He delivered their highest ever Premier League finish last season, 9th. With the lowest budget. One bad season as a manager, especially in the Prem, isn't being "found out". They've been poor this season but that doesn't make him a worse coach or a bad manager. There isn't a coach anywhere with a faultless record. Jurgen Klopp had a bad year at Dortmund before leaving. Whoever PNE hire isn't going to have a perfect record.

With regards to the money spent, transfer fees only show one side of the story. Their wage structure meant they could basically only sign Championship players or youngsters like Brewster and Ramsdale.

He isn't going to come here anyway. Has walked away from a big contract in the Prem at his boyhood club over a row about transfers and recruitment, so he won't be coming to Preston.
 
Think there is far too much emphasis on who is the clubs captain tbh. Yes, it’s an important role but is it vital? I don’t think it is.

Browne will come back, when picked and will be club captain. That won’t stop Ledson/Whiteman from causing all sorts of chaos in the middle of the park.

Think we should just be happy we have two real midfielders in Whiteman and Ledson who would do anything to win a game of footy in central midfield and for a while the only player who I felt had that in them was Pearson.

For me, it doesn’t really matter who is captain as these lot are a close group of lads and their performances won’t be affected by who has the armband and who doesn’t

Just my thoughts anyway.
 
He delivered their highest ever Premier League finish last season, 9th. With the lowest budget. One bad season as a manager, especially in the Prem, isn't being "found out". They've been poor this season but that doesn't make him a worse coach or a bad manager. There isn't a coach anywhere with a faultless record. Jurgen Klopp had a bad year at Dortmund before leaving. Whoever PNE hire isn't going to have a perfect record.

With regards to the money spent, transfer fees only show one side of the story. Their wage structure meant they could basically only sign Championship players or youngsters like Brewster and Ramsdale.

He isn't going to come here anyway. Has walked away from a big contract in the Prem at his boyhood club over a row about transfers and recruitment, so he won't be coming to Preston.
There is undoubtedly more pros than cons and did get them promoted as LostinSpace said but my main concern is how he likes control over transfers and doesn't seem to know how to use it when spending big. I'm sorry if you think 20m doesn't get you a Premier league player but I certainly so! I think if you're spending that much then you should surely be able to get someone who can preform to that level, surely. Villa spent roughly the same on Watkins as SHU did on Brewster after all.

He certainly won't come here but from my Sheffield United supporting mate and his dad, they more than felt he'd been found out and they've seen more of him after all, they were grateful for all he did for them but they both seemed more than delighted that he'd left which says a lot to me!
 
Think there is far too much emphasis on who is the clubs captain tbh. Yes, it’s an important role but is it vital? I don’t think it is.

Browne will come back, when picked and will be club captain. That won’t stop Ledson/Whiteman from causing all sorts of chaos in the middle of the park.

Think we should just be happy we have two real midfielders in Whiteman and Ledson who would do anything to win a game of footy in central midfield and for a while the only player who I felt had that in them was Pearson.

For me, it doesn’t really matter who is captain as these lot are a close group of lads and their performances won’t be affected by who has the armband and who doesn’t

Just my thoughts anyway.
Fair points. Browne having the armband isn’t going to stop Ledson barking orders and rallying the team out on the pitch.
 
TBH Browne's performances this season have been well below what's needed from the captain of a team in the position we've been in. I couldn't care less if he decides to throw his dummy out the pram if he loses the armband. It would simply reinforce my belief that he just isn't captain material. The team will always be bigger than any one man...
is that not making up something you have dreamt up, and AB hasnt done, and then blaming him for it ?

Frankie said post match, with Browne; DJ & Greg all out Ryan was the next best leader.....

I'll stick up for AB.... he's played everywhere and anywhere for the benefit of the team at the detriment to his preferred role....and does his best in every position - which is possibly why he is considered Capt material......agree his form suffered but had he been No 10 all season he might have starred but the team struggled even more at RB/ RWB / No 8 / No 4..etc etc
 
Fair point, but IF Frankie wants the job, maybe it’s a decision he needs to make.

Agree.

Don’t see it as an issue. Ledson’s a natural leader and as Gaz said he could well be a player who thrives on the added responsibility and it actually improves his own game too. Browne’s current poor form could partly be down to the pressure of captaincy. He might actually prefer lose the armband and focus on his own game. Especially if he considers the needs of the team.

McAvoy seems very sensible, friendly and diplomatic and I’m sure he’ll do what he feels is best for the team.
 
I do wonder if the captain armband doesn’t suit him, just like it didn’t with Botham & Freddie in cricket. Compared to when he isn’t the captain, he has a outstanding games. Just a opinion on my part.
 
I'm sorry if you think 20m doesn't get you a Premier league player but I certainly so! I think if you're spending that much then you should surely be able to get someone who can preform to that level, surely.
Apparently they tried to get Watkins but couldn't compete with Villa on wages.

If you don't pay big wages then it doesn't matter how big the fee is, you probably won't be able to sign a Premier League ready striker.

That's why Sheffield United have been signing Championship players, because they could pay decent fees but didn't have the wage structure. Hence signing people like Robinson and McBurnie, or Brewster who is a youngster who'd been playing Championship football. We've had the same problems at Championship level. By all accounts we've made decent cash bids for strikers but our wage structure has resulted in us looking to players at a lower level.

Fees aren't really that relevant now when assessing financial capability in the Premier League because every single club can pay a £20-30m transfer fee. It's what they can spend on wages which sets the club apart in what they can do. That's why the job Dyche does at Burnley every season is so underrated.

Wilder is just as good as a coach as he was this time last year or the year before. Terms like "found out" imho are just part of the usual hyperbole we hear when managers leave clubs. Same with Alex Neil, his time was up at this club but it doesn't mean he's a worse coach or a busted flush. As I said earlier we're not going to get a manager with a perfect record on the pitch or in the transfer market. We need to find someone suited to our structure.
 
Ledson was excellent today. Gregan-esque in many ways, but carries a threat going forward. I'm not sure where Browne gets in the team after today. I'd have said in the 10, but Potts was really good there.
 
Played well today, weird how much better he is passing the ball in the final 3rd than when he drops deep and tries to dictate from there.

Not sure the Alan Browne issue is that big, think the 3 that started today should be given the rest of the season. All very good.

Browne can have the armband if he does start, but think he’ll find it tough to break into the side on current rorm
 
Ledson was really good today and complemented Whiteman, if they continue to grow and improve as they probably will with regular games and understanding then we wont miss Pearson and may well be stronger overall.
Potts was good in the 10 behind the front 2 and made himself a threat all game, the position suits him.
The wide positions are well covered.
There is no issue with Alan Browne, he is a valuable Team/squad member but shouldnt instantly walk back in.
When he gets his next chance due to injury, suspension or someones loss of form its up to him to reclaim his place by his own performances.
In respect of the thread though Ledson was outstanding and maturing into a cracking Player.
 
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