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Harry Kane on becoming England's all time leading goal scorer.

Sir Tom Finney wasnt even a striker (just sayin) .

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Any mathematicians worked out who in the post #1 list - who's got the best goals / game ratio, please ?
 
It does make you wonder just how good Sir Tom actually was for someone like me at 36 who obviously never saw him play.

My Dad swears blind he was/is the best ever.

Some amazing stats there, did Nat Lofthouse really score 30 in 33 games?!

One thing that has always pissed me off from my generation is the lack of respect for Wayne Rooney from a lot of people. He was simply awesome, right until he packed in he could have played centre back, midfield or up top and he'd have been the best player on the pitch by a mile.
 
No friendlies against San Marino back in Sir Toms day!
I had this discussion with JK on Twitter. It's not a negative towards Kane, but Finney, Greaves, Lofthouse would have scored more goals if they had the schedule that modern day players have now.

It's crazy that Jimmy Greaves last played for England when he was 27. It's crazy Shearer retired at 30, yet scored a lot of PL goals after that.

It's crazy that Owen and Rooney set the world alight at 17/18, and given the years their international careers ran over, their goal returns feel disappointing from what they could have been. Look at Lukaku, debut at 17, now 29, has 70 odd international goals. Owen and Rooney should have matched that at least.
 
It does make you wonder just how good Sir Tom actually was for someone like me at 36 who obviously never saw him play.

My Dad swears blind he was/is the best ever.

Some amazing stats there, did Nat Lofthouse really score 30 in 33 games?!

One thing that has always pissed me off from my generation is the lack of respect for Wayne Rooney from a lot of people. He was simply awesome, right until he packed in he could have played centre back, midfield or up top and he'd have been the best player on the pitch by a mile.
Big fan of Rooney. And Euro 2004 I honestly thought he was the best player in the world then. If he hadn't have been injured during that tournament, I think we would have won it.

But given how good he was at 17/18, and he played until he was about 31/32 for England, his goal return should have been better? I think his ability wasn't met, or certainly his peak should have been a lot longer than it was.
 
One has to remember that Saint Tom played most of his international games at outside left. Some at outside right and I think I'm right in saying he played a few at centre forward, but not many if he did. However, it makes his return all the more impressive.
 
Any mathematicians worked out who in the post #1 list - who's got the best goals / game ratio, please ?
Loft house is almost a goal per game so miles ahead of the rest. The official goals per game is someone from the 30s who ended up with more than a goal per game
 
Big fan of Rooney. And Euro 2004 I honestly thought he was the best player in the world then. If he hadn't have been injured during that tournament, I think we would have won it.

But given how good he was at 17/18, and he played until he was about 31/32 for England, his goal return should have been better? I think his ability wasn't met, or certainly his peak should have been a lot longer than it was.

As with a lot of his generation they were self entitled knob heads. His ‘own fans booing you’ comment after a bore draw with Algeria summed the prick up.

Compare that to the reaction after our 0-0 draw with Scotland. Southgate said the fans are entitled to their opinion and we then made the final.

Rooney has one World Cup goal in three tournaments. Harry Kane has 8 in two. I hated that generation of England.

It shows up Rooneys career that after setting the scene in 2004 he didn’t play well in a single tournament since. His performances for England at major tournaments were a joke and I was glad when he retired.
 
It does make you wonder just how good Sir Tom actually was for someone like me at 36 who obviously never saw him play.

My Dad swears blind he was/is the best ever.

Some amazing stats there, did Nat Lofthouse really score 30 in 33 games?!

One thing that has always pissed me off from my generation is the lack of respect for Wayne Rooney from a lot of people. He was simply awesome, right until he packed in he could have played centre back, midfield or up top and he'd have been the best player on the pitch by a mile.
Rooney is a legend of the game.

You don’t become Manchester United’s and England’s leading goalscorer unless you’re top drawer.

But his England career was a big disappointment.

The goals record is a product of him just being around for so long, rather than really shining. Especially in tournaments, the only time it really matters.

Kane has delivered in every tournament under Southgate. Rooney has the same number of World Cup goals as Emile Heskey.
 
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