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NG White said:
It does make you wonder just how good Sir Tom actually was for someone like me at 36 who obviously never saw him play.

My Dad swears blind he was/is the best ever.

Some amazing stats there, did Nat Lofthouse really score 30 in 33 games?!

One thing that has always pissed me off from my generation is the lack of respect for Wayne Rooney from a lot of people. He was simply awesome, right until he packed in he could have played centre back, midfield or up top and he'd have been the best player on the pitch by a mile.
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I’m not going to respect someone who was a self entitled prick. TbT generation of England was a joke. They had the ability to win tournaments but didn’t give. Shit when playing for England.

He was great for United but at major tournaments for England he was a shambles. 2016, 2014, 2012, 2010, 2006

2006 - he cost us the game by getting sent iff
2010 - own fans booing you comment
2012 - missed the first two games by getting sent off again
2014 - scored his first World Cup goal. Only took him 10 years.
2016 - scored a penalty against Iceland which we lost.

He played well in on tournament (2004) so it’s not a surprise he doesn’t get more respect. It’s more of a surprise you are pissed off by it when in fact you should be more pissed off at the utter contempt Rooney treated England fans when wearing the shirt.
 
You could throw in the state of the pitches, when it rained the were ankle deep in mud.

The equipment wasn't great either, boots like doc martins rather than the ballet shoes they wear today.
Kit that when wet weighed a ton.
The ball was like kicking a cannon ball around, anyone remember trying to head one?

Today if the full back breathes on you you get a free kick, people think the likes of Norman Hunter was a hard man, he was a pussy cat compared with the likes of Willie Cunningham.

Today if they get tackled they roll over half a dozen times, if a full back from those days tackled them they would roll like an easter egg down the hill on Avenham Park.
 
Walton said:
You could throw in the state of the pitches, when it rained the were ankle deep in mud.

The equipment wasn't great either, boots like doc martins rather than the ballet shoes they wear today.
Kit that when wet weighed a ton.
The ball was like kicking a cannon ball around, anyone remember trying to head one?

Today if the full back breathes on you you get a free kick, people think the likes of Norman Hunter was a hard man, he was a pussy cat compared with the likes of Willie Cunningham.

Today if they get tackled they roll over half a dozen times, if a full back from those days tackled them they would roll like an easter egg down the hill on Avenham Park.
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Absolutely
It’s a pointless as the how many assists statistic
Apples and pears
 
NG White said:
It does make you wonder just how good Sir Tom actually was for someone like me at 36 who obviously never saw him play.

My Dad swears blind he was/is the best ever.

Some amazing stats there, did Nat Lofthouse really score 30 in 33 games?!

One thing that has always pissed me off from my generation is the lack of respect for Wayne Rooney from a lot of people. He was simply awesome, right until he packed in he could have played centre back, midfield or up top and he'd have been the best player on the pitch by a mile.
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Lack of respect ?
After what he said in South Africa
I don’t think so…….
Arrogant at best
 
norky84 said:
A goal is a goal, irrespective of if it's scored from the penalty spot or from 35 yards.
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I know it is, but I’d probably have scored 16 of those pens and I’m 72🤣and I’d probably have scored that important one that he put into orbit.😉
 
Doc Brown said:
Kane has delivered in every tournament under Southgate. Rooney has the same number of World Cup goals as Emile Heskey.
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Disagree given we've won fuck all.

Messi delivered at the last World Cup.

Mbappe, as a kid of 18 or so, delivered in 2018.

Kane delivered in neither. Yeah, he scored 3 v Panama on his way to 6 goals, one came off his back which he knew nothing about.

Decent striker but for myself, way behind Greaves and Lineker.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Disagree given we've won fuck all.

Messi delivered at the last World Cup.

Mbappe, as a kid of 18 or so, delivered in 2018.

Kane delivered in neither. Yeah, he scored 3 v Panama on his way to 6 goals, one came off his back which he knew nothing about.

Decent striker but for myself, way behind Greaves and Lineker.
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Greaves yes but Kane has achieved as much as Lineker with England. He will also probably beat his World Cup record.
 
RibbletonWhite2.0 said:
I’m not going to respect someone who was a self entitled prick. TbT generation of England was a joke. They had the ability to win tournaments but didn’t give. Shit when playing for England.

He was great for United but at major tournaments for England he was a shambles. 2016, 2014, 2012, 2010, 2006

2006 - he cost us the game by getting sent iff
2010 - own fans booing you comment
2012 - missed the first two games by getting sent off again
2014 - scored his first World Cup goal. Only took him 10 years.
2016 - scored a penalty against Iceland which we lost.

He played well in on tournament (2004) so it’s not a surprise he doesn’t get more respect. It’s more of a surprise you are pissed off by it when in fact you should be more pissed off at the utter contempt Rooney treated England fans when wearing the shirt.
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I think its fair to be pissed off with that whole generation. I agree he wasn't great in major tournaments apart from 2004 but none of them where. It annoys me when they're on the TV now talking about how they all used to ignore the lads who played for rivals in the PL.

I meant more those that try to insist Rooney wasn't a world class player when he absolutely was.
 
NG White said:
I think its fair to be pissed off with that whole generation. I agree he wasn't great in major tournaments apart from 2004 but none of them where. It annoys me when they're on the TV now talking about how they all used to ignore the lads who played for rivals in the PL.

I meant more those that try to insist Rooney wasn't a world class player when he absolutely was.
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I regularly have this same argument with my Liverpool supporting mate who insists Steven Gerrard was world class. Yes, he was absolute class at times playing for Liverpool but I can't remember a single time he took an important game for England by the scruff of the neck in the way such as Maradona, Messi, Mbappe, Cruyff, Pele have done in their time. Now that's what I define as world class.
 
Rather than judging Kane vs Rooney on pens being easy, which player has scored a larger percentage of their goals against San Marino & Andorra (curious on this)?
 
jgriff2296 said:
I regularly have this same argument with my Liverpool supporting mate who insists Steven Gerrard was world class. Yes, he was absolute class at times playing for Liverpool but I can't remember a single time he took an important game for England by the scruff of the neck in the way such as Maradona, Messi, Mbappe, Cruyff, Pele have done in their time. Now that's what I define as world class.
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He wouldn’t even get on the bench for the world eleven in his day (if there was one)
 
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