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Rooney has 8 goals against San Marino, Andorra, and Liechtenstein. 16 goals in friendlies.

Kane has 8 goals against San Marino, Andorra, and Malta. 6 goals in friendlies, and 3 in the Nations League.

I'll look at goals against top 10 sides in a bit.
 
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Based on current FIFA rankings, or else it'd get silly.

Goals against: Brazil, Argentina, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy, Portugal, and Spain. Germany are 14th but I'll throw them in anyway.

Rooney: 9
Kane: 9

Tournament goals

Rooney: 7
Kane: 12

I think Kane will still be playing regularly for England when he's 34/35 too.
 
Wayne Rooney was a supremely gifted footballer. His weight of pass was as good as I've ever seen. He was also a very flawed individual but that is a separate discussion. He didn't perform for England when it mattered and therefore despite his goals record is not one of the greats in my book.
Kane has overtaken Rooney's record and is still going. He has performed on the bigger stage but still needs a trophy to cement hmself in the history books.
The current crop of players (and the manager) are a breath of fresh air after the so called Golden Generation.
 
jgriff2296 said:
Wayne Rooney was a supremely gifted footballer. His weight of pass was as good as I've ever seen. He was also a very flawed individual but that is a separate discussion. He didn't perform for England when it mattered and therefore despite his goals record is not one of the greats in my book.
Kane has overtaken Rooney's record and is still going. He has performed on the bigger stage but still needs a trophy to cement hmself in the history books.
The current crop of players (and the manager) are a breath of fresh air after the so called Golden Generation.
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I think Kane's range of passing equals Rooney's as well to be honest. It's ridiculous at times.

Imagine going to a tournament with a 28yr old Kane and a 21yr old Rooney.
 
SF said:
Based on current FIFA rankings, or else it'd get silly.

Goals against: Brazil, Argentina, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy, Portugal, and Spain. Germany are 14th but I'll throw them in anyway.

Rooney: 9
Kane: 9

Tournament goals

Rooney: 7
Kane: 12

I think Kane will still be playing regularly for England when he's 34/35 too.
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With Rooney as well four of them tournament goals came in 2004 when he was a teenager so to only score 3 since then is pretty shambolic.

People may argue that Kane score a hat trick v Panama so it’s quite flawed but in Rooneys time he has played Iceland, Algeria, wales,
Slovakia, Russia, USA and has scored a grand total of one goal.
 
Oh christ, not this again.

Can't we just agree that he's very good (as proven by his goal record for both club and country, no matter what contortions you put on the statistics) but not the best (either all-time for England or in his era internationally).
 
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Yup, in 2018 scoring both our goals vs Tunisia, and the only goal vs Columbia didn't matter much.
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Missed an absolute sitter against Croatia to put us 2-0 up and ultimately cost us a place in the final.

Missed a penalty against France.

In fairness I think his overall performances were much better this time around than in 2018 where he was largely anonymous in the bigger games.
 
BPIG - GBNF said:
Missed an absolute sitter against Croatia to put us 2-0 up and ultimately cost us a place in the final.

Missed a penalty against France.

In fairness I think his overall performances were much better this time around than in 2018 where he was largely anonymous in the bigger games.
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He's scored some crucial goals and missed a few chances like any striker in the world for ever.

If we're talking about trophies then everyone is behind Hurst, right? Another very good player but probably not the very best in terms of strike rate, longevity or goals. But he had his day when it really mattered. Lets not forget that without Greaves' injury he Probably wouldn't even had played. Fine margins sometimes...

Kane is very good but probably not the very best. But picking on his faults rather than the good stuff still seems immensely unfair to me.
 
BPIG - GBNF said:
Missed an absolute sitter against Croatia to put us 2-0 up and ultimately cost us a place in the final.

Missed a penalty against France.

In fairness I think his overall performances were much better this time around than in 2018 where he was largely anonymous in the bigger games.
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So he misses those 2 chances and it's his fault we lost. But we don't say he won us the game vs Tunisia with his 2 goals? Or without his goal vs Columbia we could have lost that tie as no one else scored?
 
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