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norky84 said:
So he misses those 2 chances and it's his fault we lost. But we don't say he won us the game vs Tunisia with his 2 goals? Or without his goal vs Columbia we could have lost that tie as no one else scored?
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He scored from the spot against Colombia. As proved in the shoot out following that, we have plenty of players that can score penalties. I don't want to go off on one, but it was probably the worst ever golden boot won in terms of quality of opponents (3 against Panama (2 penalties), 2 against Tunisia, 1 against Colombia (p), He didn't score in our last 3 games of that tournament against Belgium, Sweden or Croatia.

He was unlucky against France in December but I never thought he was going to score that second penalty. He doesn't have the bottle and never will unless he moves to a club that wins things. It's all well and good scoring against hattricks against relegation plodders like Bournemouth and Forest but I don't think he can do it at the highest level. Completely shat it in the Euro's Final, Champions League Final, Carabao Cup Final etc etc
 
Warton PNE said:
Completely shat it in the Euro's Final, Champions League Final, Carabao Cup Final etc etc
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This is complete bollocks. He was playing for significantly weaker teams in all these finals, bar the Euro Final which I felt Italy were just favourites pre game (he played well 1st half in that and was a big part in the build up to our goal).

League Cup finals, lost to a Chelsea side who finished as League Champions and 23 points ahead of Spurs. Lost to a City side who finished as League Champions and 24 points ahead of Spurs.

Champions League Final, lost to Liverpool, who had just finished the season with 97 points and 26 points ahead of Spurs. He also probably shouldn't have played seeing as he had been injured for nearly 2 months.

If Kane had been playing for sides that were the better team going into these finals, people would have a point. But he was playing for sides who weren't expected to win given the opposition they were against.

Pep Guardiola thought he was good enough to bid £120 million for 2 summers ago, and I wish Kane had made that move. Sadly Levy ruined it. Bayern Munich and Man United want him this Summer. Hopefully he gets a move to a club capable of winning trophies.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Disagree given we've won fuck all.

Messi delivered at the last World Cup.

Mbappe, as a kid of 18 or so, delivered in 2018.

Kane delivered in neither. Yeah, he scored 3 v Panama on his way to 6 goals, one came off his back which he knew nothing about.

Decent striker but for myself, way behind Greaves and Lineker.
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To be fair we won SFA with Lineker and Greaves didn’t play in the 1966 World Cup….

I do agree with you to a point though… Kane doesn’t turn up in the really big games Ie : Italy in the last Euros final..
 
Warton PNE said:
He doesn't have the bottle and never will unless he moves to a club that wins things. It's all well and good scoring against hattricks against relegation plodders like Bournemouth and Forest but I don't think he can do it at the highest level. Completely shat it in the Euro's Final
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He scored in the shoot out against Italy in the euros final, under unfathomable pressure.

That was the most important moment in his England career, and he stepped up.

Kane is brilliant. He deserves all the praise he gets. One of only a handful of truly world class players in this England team.
 
norky84 said:
This is complete bollocks. He was playing for significantly weaker teams in all these finals, bar the Euro Final which I felt Italy were just favourites pre game (he played well 1st half in that and was a big part in the build up to our goal).

League Cup finals, lost to a Chelsea side who finished as League Champions and 23 points ahead of Spurs. Lost to a City side who finished as League Champions and 24 points ahead of Spurs.

Champions League Final, lost to Liverpool, who had just finished the season with 97 points and 26 points ahead of Spurs. He also probably shouldn't have played seeing as he had been injured for nearly 2 months.

If Kane had been playing for sides that were the better team going into these finals, people would have a point. But he was playing for sides who weren't expected to win given the opposition they were against.

Pep Guardiola thought he was good enough to bid £120 million for 2 summers ago, and I wish Kane had made that move. Sadly Levy ruined it. Bayern Munich and Man United want him this Summer. Hopefully he gets a move to a club capable of winning trophies.
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Spot on.
 
Doc Brown said:
He scored in the shoot out against Italy in the euros final, under unfathomable pressure.

That was the most important moment in his England career, and he stepped up.

Kane is brilliant. He deserves all the praise he gets. One of only a handful of truly world class players in this England team.
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The most important moment in his England career was against France and he completely bottled it.

Great player but absolutely not a winner and I wouldn't pick him over Rooney, Owen etc. They won things.
 
Warton PNE said:
He scored from the spot against Colombia. As proved in the shoot out following that, we have plenty of players that can score penalties. I don't want to go off on one, but it was probably the worst ever golden boot won in terms of quality of opponents (3 against Panama (2 penalties), 2 against Tunisia, 1 against Colombia (p), He didn't score in our last 3 games of that tournament against Belgium, Sweden or Croatia.

He was unlucky against France in December but I never thought he was going to score that second penalty. He doesn't have the bottle and never will unless he moves to a club that wins things. It's all well and good scoring against hattricks against relegation plodders like Bournemouth and Forest but I don't think he can do it at the highest level. Completely shat it in the Euro's Final, Champions League Final, Carabao Cup Final etc etc
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Complete bollocks. Harry Kane has 37 goals against the 'big six.' More than anyone else.

He also has more goals than anyone else in the North London Derby.

He can do it against the best sides. I hope he wins a trophy by the end of his career because he will be probably one of the best players ever to never win one. Think he will join United in the summer and win a few trophies. Someone like Kane has at least 7/8 years at the highest level because he is a striker that doesn't rely on pace.
 
Warton PNE said:
The most important moment in his England career was against France and he completely bottled it.

Great player but absolutely not a winner and I wouldn't pick him over Rooney, Owen etc. They won things.
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Sorry to quote you again but Rooney, Owen won as much for England as Kane. Kane I don't mind because when the fans booed after a 0-0 draw with Scotland he didn't go to the camera arrogantly and complain about fans booing.

I was happy when that knob head retired.
 
RibbletonWhite2.0 said:
Complete bollocks. Harry Kane has 37 goals against the 'big six.' More than anyone else.

He also has more goals than anyone else in the North London Derby.

He can do it against the best sides. I hope he wins a trophy by the end of his career because he will be probably one of the best players ever to never win one. Think he will join United in the summer and win a few trophies. Someone like Kane has at least 7/8 years at the highest level because he is a striker that doesn't rely on pace.
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RibbletonWhite2.0 said:
Sorry to quote you again but Rooney, Owen won as much for England as Kane. Kane I don't mind because when the fans booed after a 0-0 draw with Scotland he didn't go to the camera arrogantly and complain about fans booing.

I was happy when that knob head retired.
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What has that won him? He led Spurs to 3rd in a 2 horse race when Leicester won the title.

Owen won the Ballon D'or when he was 22 years old. Kane has never, and will never reach the level Owen was at. It's a shame he was made out of paper as he would have arguably been the greatest striker of that generation. He was at a similar level to Mbappe at that age.

I'm not talking about England when it comes to winning trophies. Rooney and Owen won things for their club. Kane has never performed when he has got to finals and his complete lack of ambition has meant he hasn't moved on to clubs with a better chance of winning trophies.

Can say Levy did this and that, but if he wanted to move he could have quite easily forced a move through.
 
Warton PNE said:
What has that won him? He led Spurs to 3rd in a 2 horse race when Leicester won the title.

Owen won the Ballon D'or when he was 22 years old. Kane has never, and will never reach the level Owen was at. It's a shame he was made out of paper as he would have arguably been the greatest striker of that generation. He was at a similar level to Mbappe at that age.

I'm not talking about England when it comes to winning trophies. Rooney and Owen won things for their club. Kane has never performed when he has got to finals and his complete lack of ambition has meant he hasn't moved on to clubs with a better chance of winning trophies.

Can say Levy did this and that, but if he wanted to move he could have quite easily forced a move through.
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Pretty sure that Kane would have happily joined City given the opportunity. Perhaps he could have forced it through if he was more of a c**t. In a sense its admirable that he's stuck it out at Spurs but perhaps that will turn out to be his failing. A lot of winners aren't very nice people.

I still don't understand the bitterness so many seems to have against a player who has played next to no role in the life of Preston North End but I guess that's the English way. We build them up and knock them down again.

He's very good but not the best, for me that's the end of it.
 
Warton PNE said:
What has that won him? He led Spurs to 3rd in a 2 horse race when Leicester won the title.

Owen won the Ballon D'or when he was 22 years old. Kane has never, and will never reach the level Owen was at. It's a shame he was made out of paper as he would have arguably been the greatest striker of that generation. He was at a similar level to Mbappe at that age.

I'm not talking about England when it comes to winning trophies. Rooney and Owen won things for their club. Kane has never performed when he has got to finals and his complete lack of ambition has meant he hasn't moved on to clubs with a better chance of winning trophies.

Can say Levy did this and that, but if he wanted to move he could have quite easily forced a move through.
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Andy Cole won plenty for his club, so you're saying he was better than Harry Kane?

Cole won more major trophies than Owen, so Cole was better than Owen?
 
MrBoomBoom said:
What off-topic stuff?

The thread is titled Congratulations.. then reads 'Harry Kane on becoming England's all time leading goal scorer'
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The OP has clarified what the topic is:
JK said:
The original post was about North End's greatest ever footballer.

If that is not PNE related then I don't know what is.
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If the topic was Harry Kane, I'm sure the OP would move the whole thread to General Football - since they haven't done that, Kane cannot be the topic of the thread.
 
Warton PNE said:
What has that won him? He led Spurs to 3rd in a 2 horse race when Leicester won the title.

Owen won the Ballon D'or when he was 22 years old. Kane has never, and will never reach the level Owen was at. It's a shame he was made out of paper as he would have arguably been the greatest striker of that generation. He was at a similar level to Mbappe at that age.

I'm not talking about England when it comes to winning trophies. Rooney and Owen won things for their club. Kane has never performed when he has got to finals and his complete lack of ambition has meant he hasn't moved on to clubs with a better chance of winning trophies.

Can say Levy did this and that, but if he wanted to move he could have quite easily forced a move through.
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Yes but we are talking about who we would rather play for England which you mentioned in your previous post. I’m just mentioning that I would much rather Harry Kane than Rooney. Owen in his prime was brilliant but injuries wasted his career.

You can’t force through a move if clubs aren’t willing to pay the 160 million to get him.
 
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