Me neither but most (opposition) championship defenders won’t dive in and he has to have a different way for when they don’t.See, I’ve no issue whatsoever with him gambling. I’d take a striker that’s brave and takes risks in a hope to get the ball into a dangerous area over a striker who takes a touch then plays it back to the midfield who play it back to the defence who play it back to the goalie who then hoofs it up to the striker who inevitably doesn’t win the header
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We’ve got to give him the benefit of the doubt. He trains against Lindsey, who dives in at every opportunity and then can’t get back fast enoughMe neither but most (opposition) championship defenders won’t dive in and he has to have a different way for when they don’t.
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I counted probably more than most, and there are some who are borderline who would be ok and useful with better players around them.
Oddly there were few (no one?) asking for Browne, Whiteman, Ledson etc. to be replaced a few weeks ago but now they're only deemed good enough for league 1.
I was hoping for more of a reset once Neil had gone, he had dragged everyone down including the players and I wouldn't underestimate how difficult it will be and how long it will take to change the mindset of the players. McAvoy has already talked about the players going back into a default defensive mode at 1-0 up, perhaps not unsurprising when they've had it drilled into them for 12-18 months.
A couple of wins, and we have a decent enough run of games coming up to get them in, and we should hopefully see a pick up in confidence and performances. There needs to be tweaks though to enable us to build more from the back, going long every time is no good.
I'm still hopeful of adding another attacking, the worry is everywhere I look I see other championship clubs "who need a striker..."
Oddly there were few (no one?) asking for Browne, Whiteman, Ledson etc. to be replaced a few weeks ago but now they're only deemed good enough for league 1.
I was hoping for more of a reset once Neil had gone, he had dragged everyone down including the players and I wouldn't underestimate how difficult it will be and how long it will take to change the mindset of the players. McAvoy has already talked about the players going back into a default defensive mode at 1-0 up, perhaps not unsurprising when they've had it drilled into them for 12-18 months.
A couple of wins, and we have a decent enough run of games coming up to get them in, and we should hopefully see a pick up in confidence and performances. There needs to be tweaks though to enable us to build more from the back, going long every time is no good.
I'm still hopeful of adding another attacking, the worry is everywhere I look I see other championship clubs "who need a striker..."
If we had pressed the ball at any point rather than allow Hull the freedom of Deepdale to do what they wish, I think our strikers would have had a lot more joy.Me neither but most (opposition) championship defenders won’t dive in and he has to have a different way for when they don’t.
Most of the 1st half Riis and Evavs were 40+ yards from goal, facing away, trying to control a ball with zero runners from midfield and wingbacks chained to their own half. It was just a total mess.
Not far off but Hughes is definitely not championship level.I've looked at it a bit more rationally than before and have listed players as below. We could probably argue over one or two (Hughes and Potts for example) but I think its about there.
The main concerns as I see it are:
5 players who are seem unlikely to be part of the long term plans contracted for another two years.
A lack of quality and quantity up front
A lack of quantity at the back (and that assume that Hughes is up to it which I know divides opinion).
That all said, there is a core of a half decent team with some pretty decent quality in midfield especially. But generally its players of the level who would fill out a decent side without necessarily having the ability to be leaders/key players themselves. Overall its hard to see where goals or clean sheets are going to come from which is kind of a fairly big problem.
UNABLE TO JUDGE AS I'VE NOT SEEN THEM
GK: Oliver Lombard* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
DF: Lewis Coulton* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
DF: Matthew Olosunde (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Lewis Leigh* (2nd Year Scholar)
MF: Jack Baxter* (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Tom Bayliss (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Adam O'Reilly* (Contracted to June 2023)
MF/FW: Ethan Walker* (Contract June 2022)
MF/FW: Izzy Brown (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
MF/FW: Jamie Thomas (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
FW: Jacob Holland-Wilkinson* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
FW: Joe Rodwell-Grant* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
SURPLUS TO REQUIREMENTS
GK: Matthew Hudson (Contracted to June 2022)
GK: Connor Ripley (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Paul Huntington (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Joe Rafferty (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Josh Harrop (Contracted to June 2023)
FW: Sean Maguire (Contracted to June 2023)
NOT CONVINCING (ABILITY/FITNESS ISSUES)
DF: Jordan Storey (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Patrick Bauer (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Josh Earl (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Liam Lindsay (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Greg Cunningham (New Contract to June 2023)
MF/FW: Scott Sinclair (Contracted to June 2022)
MF/FW: Brad Potts (Contracted to June 2022)
CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST TEAM SQUAD LEVEL (OR DECENT POTENTIAL TO BE SO)
GK: Daniel Iverson (Season Loan - June 2022)
GK: Declan Rudd (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Sepp Van Den Berg (Season Loan)
DF: Andrew Hughes (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Ryan Ledson (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Daniel Johnson (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Alan Browne (Contracted to June 2024)
MF: Ben Whiteman (Contracted to June 2024)
MF/FW: Tom Barkhuizen (Contracted to June 2022)
FW: Ched Evans (New Contract to June 2023)
FW: Emil Riis Jakobsen (Contracted to June 2024)
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Storey could be if he woke upNot far off but Hughes is definitely not championship level.
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Just seen someone raise this on twitter in terms of how big our squad is and how many of them are actually good enough or should need moving on.
Not counting the new professionals and kids, frighteningly I only counted 8 who I would defiantly not want to lose and given two of them are loan players that is deeply concerning.
I have deliberately not picked on individual players but looking at this across the board.
How Peter and Trevor Hemmings can continue to push this line that the squad is good enough is probably what is concerning me the most. We simply can not go into the next four months of matches without improving the quality of our first team.
What numbers could you get up to?
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Transfer Window Overview - Summer 2021
CURRENT SQUAD GK: Oliver Lombard* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option) GK: Matthew Hudson (Contracted to June 2022) GK: Connor Ripley (Contracted to June 2022) GK: Daniel Iverson (Season Loan) GK: Declan Rudd (Contracted to June 2023) DF: Lewis Coulton* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)...www.pne-online.net
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Scary.
Only 15 in contract beyond the end of this season? Potentially only 2 strikers? (I've not included the one year options)
Wondering if shorter contracts are the new thing? Or if we genuinely have no long term plan whatsoever?
Young payers with potential have not been improved. And can effectively leave for free anyway.
Senior players in comfort zones awarded longest contracts.
Like I said. Scary.
Pretty much agree with that.I've looked at it a bit more rationally than before and have listed players as below. We could probably argue over one or two (Hughes and Potts for example) but I think its about there.
The main concerns as I see it are:
5 players who are seem unlikely to be part of the long term plans contracted for another two years.
A lack of quality and quantity up front
A lack of quantity at the back (and that assume that Hughes is up to it which I know divides opinion).
That all said, there is a core of a half decent team with some pretty decent quality in midfield especially. But generally its players of the level who would fill out a decent side without necessarily having the ability to be leaders/key players themselves. Overall its hard to see where goals or clean sheets are going to come from which is kind of a fairly big problem.
UNABLE TO JUDGE AS I'VE NOT SEEN THEM
GK: Oliver Lombard* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
DF: Lewis Coulton* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
DF: Matthew Olosunde (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Lewis Leigh* (2nd Year Scholar)
MF: Jack Baxter* (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Tom Bayliss (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Adam O'Reilly* (Contracted to June 2023)
MF/FW: Ethan Walker* (Contract June 2022)
MF/FW: Izzy Brown (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
MF/FW: Jamie Thomas (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
FW: Jacob Holland-Wilkinson* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
FW: Joe Rodwell-Grant* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
SURPLUS TO REQUIREMENTS
GK: Matthew Hudson (Contracted to June 2022)
GK: Connor Ripley (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Paul Huntington (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Joe Rafferty (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Josh Harrop (Contracted to June 2023)
FW: Sean Maguire (Contracted to June 2023)
NOT CONVINCING (ABILITY/FITNESS ISSUES)
DF: Jordan Storey (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Patrick Bauer (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Josh Earl (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Liam Lindsay (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Greg Cunningham (New Contract to June 2023)
MF/FW: Scott Sinclair (Contracted to June 2022)
MF/FW: Brad Potts (Contracted to June 2022)
CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST TEAM SQUAD LEVEL (OR DECENT POTENTIAL TO BE SO)
GK: Daniel Iverson (Season Loan - June 2022)
GK: Declan Rudd (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Sepp Van Den Berg (Season Loan)
DF: Andrew Hughes (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Ryan Ledson (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Daniel Johnson (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Alan Browne (Contracted to June 2024)
MF: Ben Whiteman (Contracted to June 2024)
MF/FW: Tom Barkhuizen (Contracted to June 2022)
FW: Ched Evans (New Contract to June 2023)
FW: Emil Riis Jakobsen (Contracted to June 2024)
Which I think comes back to what I feel is as big an issue as any - the midfield. I don’t see yet what others seem to see in Whiteman and Ledson needs someone to guide him through the game. I won’t even start on Potts.If we had pressed the ball at any point rather than allow Hull the freedom of Deepdale to do what they wish, I think our strikers would have had a lot more joy.
Most of the 1st half Riis and Evavs were 40+ yards from goal, facing away, trying to control a ball with zero runners from midfield and wingbacks chained to their own half. It was just a total mess.
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I counted 7. The rest are lucky to have championship contracts. I did not count the youth I have not seen.
For me that has been the most disappointing aspect of PNE over the last four or five years.
Also I would contemplate bringing back Mr Greyson to manage.
Christ, no thank you
Yep, he won’t get anywhere with his current casual approach to the game.Storey could be if he woke up
If he was a total Rolls Royce at this level I could understand his languid and casual approach to defending, but he isn’t.
Worryingly
My biggest issue is giving complete dick eggs extended contracts then we are saddled with them
As in the surplus to requirements mob who have all had more then enough chances bar Hudson
Given a blank piece of paper and a pen or crayon I’d have placed every player you’ve listed into the exact same categoryI've looked at it a bit more rationally than before and have listed players as below. We could probably argue over one or two (Hughes and Potts for example) but I think its about there.
The main concerns as I see it are:
5 players who are seem unlikely to be part of the long term plans contracted for another two years.
A lack of quality and quantity up front
A lack of quantity at the back (and that assume that Hughes is up to it which I know divides opinion).
That all said, there is a core of a half decent team with some pretty decent quality in midfield especially. But generally its players of the level who would fill out a decent side without necessarily having the ability to be leaders/key players themselves. Overall its hard to see where goals or clean sheets are going to come from which is kind of a fairly big problem.
UNABLE TO JUDGE AS I'VE NOT SEEN THEM
GK: Oliver Lombard* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
DF: Lewis Coulton* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
DF: Matthew Olosunde (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Lewis Leigh* (2nd Year Scholar)
MF: Jack Baxter* (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Tom Bayliss (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Adam O'Reilly* (Contracted to June 2023)
MF/FW: Ethan Walker* (Contract June 2022)
MF/FW: Izzy Brown (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
MF/FW: Jamie Thomas (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
FW: Jacob Holland-Wilkinson* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
FW: Joe Rodwell-Grant* (Contracted to June 2022 + 1Yr option)
SURPLUS TO REQUIREMENTS
GK: Matthew Hudson (Contracted to June 2022)
GK: Connor Ripley (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Paul Huntington (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Joe Rafferty (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Josh Harrop (Contracted to June 2023)
FW: Sean Maguire (Contracted to June 2023)
NOT CONVINCING (ABILITY/FITNESS ISSUES)
DF: Jordan Storey (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Patrick Bauer (Contracted to June 2022)
DF: Josh Earl (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Liam Lindsay (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Greg Cunningham (New Contract to June 2023)
MF/FW: Scott Sinclair (Contracted to June 2022)
MF/FW: Brad Potts (Contracted to June 2022)
CHAMPIONSHIP FIRST TEAM SQUAD LEVEL (OR DECENT POTENTIAL TO BE SO)
GK: Daniel Iverson (Season Loan - June 2022)
GK: Declan Rudd (Contracted to June 2023)
DF: Sepp Van Den Berg (Season Loan)
DF: Andrew Hughes (Contracted to June 2022)
MF: Ryan Ledson (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Daniel Johnson (Contracted to June 2023)
MF: Alan Browne (Contracted to June 2024)
MF: Ben Whiteman (Contracted to June 2024)
MF/FW: Tom Barkhuizen (Contracted to June 2022)
FW: Ched Evans (New Contract to June 2023)
FW: Emil Riis Jakobsen (Contracted to June 2024)
My biggest issue is giving complete dick eggs extended contracts then we are saddled with them
As in the surplus to requirements mob who have all had more then enough chances bar Hudson
He will soon be getting to the point where he has had enough game time for the fans to make a decision on wether he is or isn’t going to be a decent striker for usI thought he was absolutely diabolical apart from the goal.
At the moment it’s still in the not sure category I think but very much bordering into the he isn’t pot
He is just to inconsistent I feel - I await the he doesn’t get the service argument but other teams midfields aren’t that much better then ours and they’re strikers seem more able
You might get a bit of stick but I see your thinkingI counted 7. The rest are lucky to have championship contracts. I did not count the youth I have not seen.
For me that has been the most disappointing aspect of PNE over the last four or five years.
Also I would contemplate bringing back Mr Greyson to manage.
Under Grayson he would pick the best team and have no favourites unlike Neil and he can get the best out of a squad
But he can’t make a silk purse…….
Don't know if we have the right coaching set up to make the most of him.I've always thought that there is potential in Riis. I reckon with the right coaching he can improve a lot.
Scary.
Only 15 in contract beyond the end of this season? Potentially only 2 strikers? (I've not included the one year options)
Wondering if shorter contracts are the new thing? Or if we genuinely have no long term plan whatsoever?
Young payers with potential have not been improved. And can effectively leave for free anyway.
Senior players in comfort zones awarded longest contracts.
Like I said. Scary.
Planning for L1?
I think there's good potential there and glad he scored but his overall game was woeful. Bad touches, lazy passing and easily out muscled.He took the opportunity (scored). He didn't panic and slice it, or hoof it over, he scored, biggest part of his job done in my book.
It's clear he's not a back-to-goal, link up player. He needs through balls & balls over the top so he can use his pace and get shots away. He's also a good dribbler and can make a yard, the type of striker who always needs to be facing goal.
Why do we need a coachWe need a striker coach so badly!
We’ve only got probably one, maybe two who are at best average
We could manage with a 1984 Vauxhall corsa and save a bit of money
Look at the difference it made to Rudd.We need a striker coach so badly!
He was an embarrassment before Gould came in.
The Corsa was first released in '93.Why do we need a coach
We’ve only got probably one, maybe two who are at best average
We could manage with a 1984 Vauxhall corsa and save a bit of money
A Nova perhaps?