Cutting some slack

[Garden Gnome]

Greyson's team was good, but not good enough for promotion. It was essentially that same team that over achieved somewhat last season and raised our expectations to unrealistic levels.
Neil came in saying he was going to change the way we play. This transition needs time and with the changes of personnel this year that time of transition is happening before our eyes.
Add to that the unfortunate injuries pre season and Older, slower defenders having to adapt to a more fluid formation and problems arise.
Why are we surprised?
The Magiire injury and failure to sign another forward have blindsides us to the real problem. Midfielders make mistakes and our defence, adapting to the new system have been caught out of position and unable to recover. Add to that some superb finishing by our opponents at times.
We have talented players.
We can score goals.
We just have to reduce our mistakes and not give sloppy goals away minutes after we score.
Despite the result on Tuesday I was pleased with our play for the most part. Sooner or later we will start to pick up points, and when we do no one will underestimate us.
Keep the faith!

 

[MrHodgeheg123]

Maguire returning to the team will be very welcome. Will he be the answer to all our problems and see us shooting up the league?
I don't think so.
Bodins absence is also being attributed to our current demise. Is this the same Billy who many thought wasn't the answer before his class goal vs Wet Spam.

Obviously, their return to the ranks will strengthen the team. Unfortunately, we're conceding goals at an alarming rate.
At the moment, even with the return of the above, we're not going to be one of those teams that can say ok. you score 2 and we'll sore 3.

Still more work to do to get our season back on track.

 

[paddysr]

Re Bodin. Personally the majority of posters whose opinions I respect saw his ability last season but accepted he needed time to adjust but given the quality of his final ball compared to Horgan/Barky could be a big player this season.

The relationship, that it was clear to all through pre-season, between him and Seani made everyone excited. Big miss for me.

As to whether Maguire will have a massive impact on our fortunes when he returned I have given my opinion in the MDT, it has to do with a lot more than the goals in his game. His movement causes team to defend deeper as he is harder to pick up. This allows us more time on the ball and gives our defenders a lot less to do.

 

[SF]

Re Bodin. Personally the majority of posters whose opinions I respect saw his ability last season but accepted he needed time to adjust but given the quality of his final ball compared to Horgan/Barky could be a big player this season.

The relationship, that it was clear to all through pre-season, between him and Seani made everyone excited. Big miss for me.

As to whether Maguire will have a massive impact on our fortunes when he returned I have given my opinion in the MDT, it has to do with a lot more than the goals in his game. His movement causes team to defend deeper as he is harder to pick up. This allows us more time on the ball and gives our defenders a lot less to do.

Spot on, two absolutely massive set backs which killed our pre-season planning.

 

[spender]

We needed a striker in JANUARY 2018 and had Mr hemmings splashed the Hugill brass then we would have had one.

Maguire and Bodin are big losses but surely there must be a player or two sort of barkhuizen who must have thought I am having some of this Bodes is out I am in brilliant if fit i play but instead of that Barks seems to adopted the well i dont need to try as bodes is injured so i am in whatever happens. Alex Neil keeps banging on about his dfensive duties but I haven't seen any he loses the ball and watches the play without a care in the world. Poor attitude for me from him.

A major problem for us is Hemmings simple as that - he wont sanction strengthening or paying top wages and the team suffers as a result - he is over the jumps when he acn pay 25k for hugill and get 9.5m return and same with cunners free in and 4 mill out who wouldn't want that return on their brass but he doesn't get the big picture for some reason. If he spendt about 15-20 mil on the quality we need then if and i know its a big if we get the promised land then he gets his brass plus big interest and he sells for a massive figure but its a gamble, burnley did it, the rest is history.

Alex neil as all managers do has he favourites and it clearly shows but it is to the detriment of the team and the results.

I thought we looked a lot better last evening and couipled with that 2nd half at Sheff Utd bodes well for saturday, but i just hope that Fisher is not reinstated.

I did see last night that perhaps TC & Hunts are just beginning to get a bit leggy, no disrepect to them as they have been fantastic but time catches up with us all.

 

[Pne king 69]

Maguire returning to the team will be very welcome. Will he be the answer to all our problems and see us shooting up the league?
I don't think so.
Bodins absence is also being attributed to our current demise. Is this the same Billy who many thought wasn't the answer before his class goal vs Wet Spam.

Obviously, their return to the ranks will strengthen the team. Unfortunately, we're conceding goals at an alarming rate.
At the moment, even with the return of the above, we're not going to be one of those teams that can say ok. you score 2 and we'll sore 3.

Still more work to do to get our season back on track.

By time seani returns it could be to late .Saturday we have no chance I expect 4or nil defeat .It needs to be said Neil is to blame chopping and changing and playing out of form players .if we want to stay up then there as to be signings in Jan transfer window but I think it will to late by then .

 

[meyousee]

By time seani returns it could be to late .Saturday we have no chance I expect 4or nil defeat .It needs to be said Neil is to blame chopping and changing and playing out of form players .if we want to stay up then there as to be signings in Jan transfer window but I think it will to late by then .

That's what I like...Positive thinking.

 

[Tino]

Spot on, two absolutely massive set backs which killed our pre-season planning.

The timing of them must have played a part. We’d worked for weeks and then lost them both within days. Both big losses without doubt.

The other thing about losing Bodin as well is we’re lacking options on the side which has meant Burke has had to shift there.

 

[Metal]

Greyson's team was good, but not good enough for promotion. It was essentially that same team that over achieved somewhat last season and raised our expectations to unrealistic levels.
Neil came in saying he was going to change the way we play. This transition needs time and with the changes of personnel this year that time of transition is happening before our eyes.
Add to that the unfortunate injuries pre season and Older, slower defenders having to adapt to a more fluid formation and problems arise.
Why are we surprised?
The Magiire injury and failure to sign another forward have blindsides us to the real problem. Midfielders make mistakes and our defence, adapting to the new system have been caught out of position and unable to recover. Add to that some superb finishing by our opponents at times.
We have talented players.
We can score goals.
We just have to reduce our mistakes and not give sloppy goals away minutes after we score.
Despite the result on Tuesday I was pleased with our play for the most part. Sooner or later we will start to pick up points, and when we do no one will underestimate us.
Keep the faith!

This

 

[Tino]

Greyson's team was good, but not good enough for promotion. It was essentially that same team that over achieved somewhat last season and raised our expectations to unrealistic levels.
Neil came in saying he was going to change the way we play. This transition needs time and with the changes of personnel this year that time of transition is happening before our eyes.
Add to that the unfortunate injuries pre season and Older, slower defenders having to adapt to a more fluid formation and problems arise.

Which is why he was given 3 years by me. IF he really is changing the style of play significantly he needs time, and transfer windows to be able to do that. And backing in those windows.

However the caveat on this is being rooted in a relegation battle. He therefore needs to sort it out and quickly. On the positive the suspensions have cleared and Maguire is back training. And the last 2 performances showed signs of last season. But time is rarely on the managers side.

Oh, those slower and older defenders you mention? They've just been given contracts totalling 5 years by the manager.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Hopefully TH might see that for us to push on next season he will need to release the purse strings at some point, not saying a huge outlay but one that will give us one better option upfront and then some better options in defence, hopefully the lesson is going to be learnt.

We will need to sign a RB, ST and a CB in the summer if this season is a right off by Christmas.

 

[kbd_pne]

Hopefully TH might see that for us to push on next season he will need to release the purse strings at some point, not saying a huge outlay but one that will give us one better option upfront and then some better options in defence, hopefully the lesson is going to be learnt.

We will need to sign a RB, ST and a CB in the summer if this season is a right off by Christmas.

It should’ve been this season we pushed on. Will be hard if Pearson goes for us to improve, which I think he will if we are still in this division. Same with Browne and Robinson really. More players will leave eventually and I don’t have much faith in the club replacing them properly. Various managers over the years have failed to kick us on when we’ve been in a good position due to lack of investment. I can’t ever see us making the Prem with TH at the helm.

 

[SF]

Jon Walters out for 6 months.

Bullet dodged there I think, guy looks done.

 

[utw]

It should’ve been this season we pushed on. Will be hard if Pearson goes for us to improve, which I think he will if we are still in this division. Same with Browne and Robinson really. More players will leave eventually and I don’t have much faith in the club replacing them properly. Various managers over the years have failed to kick us on when we’ve been in a good position due to lack of investment. I can’t ever see us making the Prem with TH at the helm.

Do you actually think we'll let Pearson et al go? Can you see them kicking up that much of a stink that we sell in January/next summer?

 

[MattPNE17]

Jon Walters out for 6 months.

Bullet dodged there I think, guy looks done.

Sounds unlucky really, no guarantee that he would have been injured had he gone elsewhere. All hypothetical now anyway.

Probably would have been out for longer if he'd come here!

 

[kbd_pne]

Do you actually think we'll let Pearson et al go? Can you see them kicking up that much of a stink that we sell in January/next summer?

Not January, but I think next summer could be a hard one to take for us all if we haven’t gone up, which already looks out of the equation.

 

[Tino]

Sounds unlucky really, no guarantee that he would have been injured had he gone elsewhere. All hypothetical now anyway.

Probably would have been out for longer if he'd come here!

And before he'd even managed to play...

 

[SF]

Sounds unlucky really, no guarantee that he would have been injured had he gone elsewhere. All hypothetical now anyway.

Probably would have been out for longer if he'd come here!

8 games in 2 seasons says he's not as robust as he used to be though.

 

[pnematic]

Hopefully TH might see that for us to push on next season he will need to release the purse strings at some point, not saying a huge outlay but one that will give us one better option upfront and then some better options in defence, hopefully the lesson is going to be learnt.

We will need to sign a RB, ST and a CB in the summer if this season is a right off by Christmas.

If he didn't release the purse strings when we finished 7th , with cash in the bank , he sure aint going to release the purse strings if we finish 4th bottom.

 

[diggerb]

Hemmings has set out his stall , that we will remain a bottom half championship team. He has no ambition for the club beyond that. I have followed the club for fifty years and more and have never been so disheartened in all that time which includes Westley re election etc etc. The reason it feels worse than those times is that previously we had no other options open to us, with Hemmings as owner i thought we were a club with a billionaire owner with a chance of the premiership for once in my lifetime. It turns out we have billionaire owner with no real i terest in seeing us improve, i am sorry but for the first time in 50yrs i am feeling enough is enough, to stand still or go backwards with a self imposed false ceiling, whats the point of bothering, none whatever !!!!