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Decent start!

Decent start!

There's lots to like about this squad. Enthuastic, hardworking and yes some good quality at times.

The defence has really settled down after an awful start this time last year. Bauer and Davies is already pretty solid and Storey and Huntingdon if he's still around is decent back up.

Lots of quality and options for rotation in midfield, no worries for me there. Upfront an issue but always feels with the high energy and pressing team can still fashion goals from games where not much is created.

Only bad performance was at Millwall. Did well to go toe to toe with Swansea considering they've had a brilliant start to the season and won at Leeds today.

This reminds me of 06/07 a bit. Nugent back and a hardworking squad really overachieved up to February of that season when the wheels spectacularly came off.

Wouldn't it be nice if team are in top 6 of new year for 2-3 good prem loans to come in to give an extra push.......I think we know the ask to that one sadly.
 
pnenycx said:
Thracia said:
I think it may even be used as justification for our current frugal transfer policies, as in: "See? We can do fine without Hugill, Cunningham and Robinson after all - in fact, maybe we should see how well we can do without a couple of others too..."
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I don't think anyone is saying that. Interesting that the players cited cost next to nowt (total < 100k?). Certainly two of the three took some time to get up to speed and we're not after that type.
Hugill was definitely available this season and I said it would have been worth it to pay him 30k/week (assuming that would have satisfied West Ham) to get him on a season long loan.
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When the owner sells these guys and doesn't replace them, he is effectively saying that. He's effectively saying "we can do without them, and their expense - everyone else can just work a bit harder".

It's like the argument for endless NHS cutting. The remaining overworked yet duty-bound staff over-perform to take up the slack and keep standards at roughly a standstill, and the management conclusion is: "See? The cuts were justified - now, what else can we cut?"

Of course (coming back to football), this frugal strategy depends on our better players continuing to be happy to over-perform while their careers quite clearly grind to a standstill.

Might work for a while, but eventually they're going to conclude their efforts might be better rewarded elsewhere.

Tipping point for the club comes when too many players do that all at the same time.
 
Thracia said:
When the owner sells these guys and doesn't replace them
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You can't replace them like for like even if you spent what you got. Yes you can get inferior versions or players with potential to become like them.
Lot of calls for us to sign Kiefer Moore, so far zero goals in 4 games . . . . who knows he might end up with 20 goals this season.
 
Thracia said:
The owner ties a hand behind our backs before we start the season, so the team has to over-perform just to stay in contention.

Credit to the lads for over-performing.
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The size of the club and its' consequential resources mean a hand is tied behind out back in just trying to compete at this level, so credit to the management and for over-perfoming.

Just to exist at this level and have a fighting chance means the owner has to fund us to the tune of 100-150k a week, so credit to him that we aren't hitting the headlines for the same reasons as Bury and Bolton.
 
Ok all you lot going on about us not signing a forward and a full back.

Exactly who could or should we have signed without paying over the odds on wages and transfer fees.

Hugill on £30k a week? I don’t think so, far too stupid a wage for us.
Cunningham again on Prem wages? Only reason Rovers got him was that they got the overpaid Mulgrew off their wage list.
Keiffer Moore? Silly transfer fee and wages for a donkey of a player?

Ok fellas........who , tell me who....?
 
Thracia said:
When the owner sells these guys and doesn't replace them, he is effectively saying that. He's effectively saying "we can do without them, and their expense - everyone else can just work a bit harder".

It's like the argument for endless NHS cutting. The remaining overworked yet duty-bound staff over-perform to take up the slack and keep standards at roughly a standstill, and the management conclusion is: "See? The cuts were justified - now, what else can we cut?"

Of course (coming back to football), this frugal strategy depends on our better players continuing to be happy to over-perform while their careers quite clearly grind to a standstill.

Might work for a while, but eventually they're going to conclude their efforts might be better rewarded elsewhere.

Tipping point for the club comes when too many players do that all at the same time.
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I don't get all this owner bashing when Bury and almost Bolton were put out of business for having shit owners and there will be more to follow. I see Blackburn being in the shit in a few years time.

It's time fans started giving this squad more credit. They aren't over working. They are playing as some fans know they can perform. Before the season I read a comment from a fan stating Blackburn and Wigan had better squads than us (probably because they linked it with the money they spent) Moore cost 3/4 million and Gallagher cost 5 mil. A striker costing that much you would expect goals right even after 6 games of the season? I've read comments saying we will definitely be bottom 6 and we will finish bottom half. Yet our squad is very very good. It's time fans started giving us the credit we deserve. We drew because of an offside goal today.
 
HeyshamWhite said:
The size of the club and its' consequential resources mean a hand is tied behind out back in just trying to compete at this level, so credit to the management and for over-perfoming.

Just to exist at this level and have a fighting chance means the owner has to fund us to the tune of 100-150k a week, so credit to him that we aren't hitting the headlines for the same reasons as Bury and Bolton.
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100% spot on! We are 7th.

We do not know how the season will span out but at this stage the bottom 8 includes Middlesbrough, Derby County, Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield, Stoke. Where are their parachute payments now? Want to swap places now?
 
JohnPNE said:
I don't get all this owner bashing when Bury and almost Bolton were put out of business for having shit owners and there will be more to follow. I see Blackburn being in the shit in a few years time.

It's time fans started giving this squad more credit. They aren't over working. They are playing as some fans know they can perform. Before the season I read a comment from a fan stating Blackburn and Wigan had better squads than us (probably because they linked it with the money they spent) Moore cost 3/4 million and Gallagher cost 5 mil. A striker costing that much you would expect goals right even after 6 games of the season? I've read comments saying we will definitely be bottom 6 and we will finish bottom half. Yet our squad is very very good. It's time fans started giving us the credit we deserve. We drew because of an offside goal today.
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Charlton were supposed to finish rock bottom because they were letting good players go and not replacing them. We are supposed to be in a relegation fight. Wigan and Blackburn are supposed to be competitive at the top end of the table as they've spent loads.

Ok it's early so it could all turn out that way.
 
Proud of the lads tonight, we made forest look pretty ordinary for the most part, but feel a little frustrated because they were there for the taking today, injuries are part and parcel, especially with Pne , but so many before the end of August combined with being a couple of players short in the window is really going to hamper us, Neil is working a minor miracle with what he has got, but it’s staggering to be going into a game away at forest with no recognised left back, right back or centre forward, and for that reason alone it’s two points dropped for me, the sooner we get a few bodies back the better , there’s not as much to fear in the league this season but we can only get so far with all these players out of position, fantastic job today though , made forest look pretty average ??
 
Worth looking at what Forest could bring on at half time to change things, Albert Adomah who was regular in Villa going up last season and Joao Carvalho who is very talented playmaker but been injured lots. Add in the proven ones upfront like Grabban and Joe Lolley and that is sort of attacking options you need over a 50 game season.

I seem to say this every year but really Forest should be getting in top 6 this year. Of course what they'll do is sack the manager if he's a point outside the top 6 at xmas and then things will unravel.
 
pnenycx said:
I don't think anyone is saying that. Interesting that the players cited cost next to nowt (total < 100k?). Certainly two of the three took some time to get up to speed and we're not after that type.
Hugill was definitely available this season and I said it would have been worth it to pay him 30k/week (assuming that would have satisfied West Ham) to get him on a season long loan.
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Aren't QPR still under some restrictions from their massive FFP fine last season. I really can't believe they're paying anything close to that figure given all the cost cutting to their squad so think West Ham paying majority of his wages. Was an odd move as to me QPR are just a bang middle of the road championship team, guess he likes living in London so happy to stay down there.
 
I always look at it in 6 game blocks. 10 points per block gives you 70 points with 4 games to play at the back end of the season. Meaning the play offs are in your own hands. Considering the injuries, which have again unbelievably effected our weakest positions on the pitch we are bang on target.
Hopefully the 2 weeks off now will at least, by the sounds of it, give us Darnell, Hughes and Seani back. And to be fair the next 6 games look pretty good for 10 points in my unusually pessimistic view?
Definitely DECENT START JK... ??.
(please don't quote me on this at the start of October when we're still on 10 points) ?
 
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