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Do the players really care?

Do the players really care?

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Another unprofessional display from most of them tonight. Can't even pass the ball.

Woodman ridiculous decision making & sending off was just the icing on the cake.

If the players do actually care, then they need to wake up and fast.

Listening to Potts on the radio before the game, saying we were in a false position & things not going our way??

What a load of old bollocks Brad. You've got your head in the clouds, or in the sand, not sure which.

Wake the fuck up or it will be too late!!
 
I think they do care and I also think they do put in 100%. They are really just not very good at football.

Disagree on both counts. But agree they are very poor footballers.

Certainly doesn't look like they care, or try that hard, looking at the performance levels in the last 3 games, but especially against Portsmouth.

Largely the same core group of players have been rank bad now under 3 different managers. Coincidence?
 
Thing is there is no sanction for poor performances.. can't dock wages or put them on performance reviews etc...or sack them....they are on princely wages and are stealing a living.
 
Another unprofessional display from most of them tonight. Can't even pass the ball.

Woodman ridiculous decision making & sending off was just the icing on the cake.

If the players do actually care, then they need to wake up and fast.

Listening to Potts on the radio before the game, saying we were in a false position & things not going our way??

What a load of old bollocks Brad. You've got your head in the clouds, or in the sand, not sure which.

Wake the fuck up or it will be too late!!

What's potts supposed to say though. "Well yeah, erm , we're shit tbh and we need to do better ".
We have been unlucky at times this season and had we had look we'd have a few more points on the board.
I certainly don't think he's got his head in the clouds , it's an interview, he has to be as positive as he can tbf.
 
The blame for the current mentality in the squad has to sit with the Riddler and, to some extent, RL.

The situation with so many players being out of contract at the end of the season is absolutely ridiculous. How motivated are you going to be if you know you might not even be here in eight months? It's a recipe for apathy.

These players, like most footballers, are spoilt and entitled. They’re earning money most of us can only dream of, and yet they don’t seem driven to work hard for it. If the rest of us were told we’d be out of work in eight months unless we stepped up, we’d graft like our lives depended on it. But footballers? Even at our level, they give off the impression that they’ll be fine no matter what—they’ll land on their feet, earn decent money, and not have to put in the effort.

RL deserves some blame alongside the Riddler because they’ve both made it clear they don’t want kn******** at the club. What does that really mean? They want nice lads—easygoing players who won’t rock the boat, who’ll nod along and agree with every decision. That’s all well and good, but what we actually need is winners. Players with fire in their bellies, who will do whatever it takes to win. Players like Roy Keane, who treated the pitch like a battleground, who hated losing so much they’d call out their teammates and even the management if standards weren’t met.

Who in this squad bleeds for the badge? Maybe Brady, Ledson, or McCann at a push. Beyond that? I don’t see anyone who lives for the game, the team, or the sheer desire to win. The rest of them? They just give off this vibe of "oh well, that’s annoying" when things don’t go their way.

There’s no one out there on the pitch demanding high standards, holding their teammates accountable, or showing real passion. You don’t need a squad full of “nice lads.” You need players who push others, even if it makes them unpopular in the dressing room. Winners demand more and more because they know that’s what it takes to succeed.

Right now, the lack of passion is obvious. The players are soft, and that’s reflected in the atmosphere at the stadium. If they showed some fire, the fans would match it—but as things stand, we're as uninspiring as their performances.
 
Another unprofessional display from most of them tonight. Can't even pass the ball.

Woodman ridiculous decision making & sending off was just the icing on the cake.

If the players do actually care, then they need to wake up and fast.

Listening to Potts on the radio before the game, saying we were in a false position & things not going our way??

What a load of old bollocks Brad. You've got your head in the clouds, or in the sand, not sure which.

Wake the fuck up or it will be too late!!

I’m not sure it comes down to caring with the majority, more so that a lot of these lads are mid to lower end League 1 and know they ain’t getting any further in their careers than this. We just don’t have enough younger players who have a hunger to reach the highest level.
 
I honestly believe it comes down to the talent on offer, and not lack of trying in most parts.

We have one of the lowest wage and transfer budgets in the league, which forces us to sign players who are, in reality, lower Championship or higher League One quality.

Our squad is built around players that only fit one system, leaving us with little flexibility to change formations. This makes our tactics predictable, with no viable plan B.

We’re also forced to take risks on foreign 'talent' because we can’t afford homegrown players. These signings come from leagues which the club aren't familiar with, leading to expensive players who don’t meet the required standard and end up sidelined.

Some players lack competition in their positions, which leads to complacency. This happens in all workplaces, when there’s no pressure people get too comfortable.

We’ve neglected key areas for too long, especially our defence. It’s unforgivable that we’ve been without a proper right back since Fisher left in 2021 and haven’t had a solid left back option since Alvaro.
 
Stoke were there for the taking last night but once again we failed to deliver and this has been the same story all season.

Muti should have scored but in fairness as i saw it he couldn't just wrap his foot around it and get a decent contact.

The Whiteman miss is more annoying. he is running onto the ball balanced and with no one pressing him, he has time to look and pick his spot, he should and could have gone the other way with a little bend and no need for power and it nestles in the bottom corner instead he goes to his left doesn't get a great contact on it, the keeper sees it all the way and makes an easy save. Whiteman is a professional footballer is it too much trouble to ask him to do one simple thing right.

The sending off was laughable, first of all Hughes puts everyone in trouble leaves Whatmough in the shite then Woodman has a decision to make which is difficult as he has been poor all game the only thing i can say in Woodman's defence is that i think Cannon fouls him and perhaps that's why he picked the ball up. But woodman apart from the Coventry save has been very average this season and cost us a lot of goals which ultimately has cost us points.

We are not in a false position, we are extremely poor with have a league 1 team trying to survive in the championship.

If Ch and PR think that this squad will keep us up they are deluded.

It needs major investment and a massive clear out in the summer.

I am sure Hecky is aware of this and knew what was to be done otherwise he would not have taken the job

I just hope he wasn't lied to with false promises of investment when it isn't going to happen. We don't want to lose Hecky he is a good manager and needs support and backing.
 
I honestly believe it comes down to the talent on offer, and not lack of trying in most parts.

We have one of the lowest wage and transfer budgets in the league, which forces us to sign players who are, in reality, lower Championship or higher League One quality.

Our squad is built around players that only fit one system, leaving us with little flexibility to change formations. This makes our tactics predictable, with no viable plan B.

We’re also forced to take risks on foreign 'talent' because we can’t afford homegrown players. These signings come from leagues which the club aren't familiar with, leading to expensive players who don’t meet the required standard and end up sidelined.

Some players lack competition in their positions, which leads to complacency. This happens in all workplaces, when there’s no pressure people get too comfortable.

We’ve neglected key areas for too long, especially our defence. It’s unforgivable that we’ve been without a proper right back since Fisher left in 2021 and haven’t had a solid left back option since Alvaro.

Yep, the squad has undergone gradual attrition of quality since maybe around the time AN arrived - the backup players were always low quality but at least we had the Big 4 and a 25-man squad; then the Big 4 all left one-by-one and the replacements were on par with the backup players.

It's just been a slow but constant downgrading of the squad every year, in terms of actual numbers (the squad is now down to 23 plus Ched, so 2 actual squad wages have simply vanished) and the quality of those numbers - an injury to almost anyone in the first XI is now an instant crisis, as the bench mostly contains unusable options.

It's been a deliberate process, dictated by the budget and the downgrading of our scouting, academy, etc. - and sadly I don't think the people in charge can do any better.
 
Who in this squad bleeds for the badge? Maybe Brady

I agree with most of your post and I think (most of) the players do care.

But Brady? 😳 A guy who has spent the past two years playing with all the intensity of a Sunday afternoon kick around in the park? 😳

Yes he's improved this season, but is it a coincidence that it comes as he's near the end of his contract?

I think not.

We need a proper clear-out.

Giving a contract to a journeyman who is 33 in January and has managed one goal in nearly 80 appearances will say a lot about the direction we're heading in...
 
I think they do care and I also think they do put in 100%. They are really just not very good at football.
I don't know if you were at Portsmouth or not but you would serious question this if you had seen it.

Id say I agree with you that they do generally care but that Portsmouth performance seriously gave me reservations, woeful to the last man.
 
I agree with most of your post and I think (most of) the players do care.

But Brady? 😳 A guy who has spent the past two years playing with all the intensity of a Sunday afternoon kick around in the park? 😳

Yes he's improved this season, but is it a coincidence that it comes as he's near the end of his contract?

I think not.

We need a proper clear-out.

Giving a contract to a journeyman who is 33 in January and has managed one goal in nearly 80 appearances will say a lot about the direction we're heading in...
Realistically, there's only three players I want us to keep hold of (McCann, Frokjaer, and Osmajic). Everyone else could be replaced relatively easily I think
 
Giving a contract to a journeyman who is 33 in January and has managed one goal in nearly 80 appearances will say a lot about the direction we're heading in...
Yeah one goal. When Brady signed his extension 18 months ago Lowe said: "We feel he can give us a bit more going forward in terms of adding some goals and that'll be the aim for him this season."

We're still bloody waiting.
 
I don't know if you were at Portsmouth or not but you would serious question this if you had seen it.

Id say I agree with you that they do generally care but that Portsmouth performance seriously gave me reservations, woeful to the last man.
I wasn't at Portsmouth no, so I can't really comment on that game. I did watch it on TV though and we definitely were shite!
 
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