FFP

[Yeti]

I can't really believe that the majority of PNE fans were Very Happy that TH split his Sporting Interests between Deepdale AND the expense of running a team of Stables, Lads, Jockeys, trainers, Racecourse fees and the rest of the kit & caboodle.
Perhaps someone on here can give an informed,educated guestimate, of the millions spent on both interests of 'Uncle' , over the years.
My personal opinion was shown when the Deepdale crowd, with me, were invited to applaud his latest Aintree winner. Because I would rather he'd have spent his money on a quality player or two, I did not wish to either stand up, nor clap. I also don't support an industry that I believe is basically cruel, and encourages poverty in far too many people.
I also appreciate the vast sums of money the racing industry give to the Exchequer, and that TH had/ should have the freedom to spend his earnings as he sees fit.
But at the "end of the day" he was happy to see the club jog along as infinitum, maybe just maybe getting lucky, with his other major sporting expenditure simply, regularly, turning
into 'Chum' and 'Pal'.
Contrast that with the efforts of, say,
Dave Whelan and Jack Walker.
gthis

He cut back his the number of horses he owned after the first financial crash then during COVID cut back again on the horses owned while he kept paying the players and staff at PNE during this time.

Most the money that went into his racing empire was funded by the couple of good horse winning at Cheltenham or the Grand National

 

[Final Stand]

I also don't support an industry that I believe is basically cruel, and encourages poverty in far too many people.

Yes, that’s football and supporting North End for you. 🤣

 

[MBcha]

Get rid of ALOT of the deadwood who aren't good enough, if they can't sell or loan them, then tell the players there not in the clubs plans and pay them out? Simple.

Then we will have more to spend that's not being used by players not good enough and players always injured and have never featured.

I agree we've got plenty we need to move on but I'm not sure how paying up their contracts would leave us with more money to spend?

 

[NIGHTMARE]

FFP, is a work of fiction, dreamed up by Santa clause and the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Deleted member 15792]

I agree we've got plenty we need to move on but I'm not sure how paying up their contracts would leave us with more money to spend?

True. Well atleast we wouldn't be spending money on players we don't use and are not good enough, also injured all the time.

It's not rocket science we are paying for these players long term. It's outrageous.

We surely can't be this unlucky on the scouting and injury front.

 

[California_PNE]

Stop shouting and what's a spalsh?

Please correct it for me mod 👍🏻

 

[jakehake]

Please correct it for me mod 👍🏻

Change it to “Mickey Dribbles” Mark. Don’t let him dictate to you

 

[jakehake]

I can't really believe that the majority of PNE fans were Very Happy that TH split his Sporting Interests between Deepdale AND the expense of running a team of Stables, Lads, Jockeys, trainers, Racecourse fees and the rest of the kit & caboodle.
Perhaps someone on here can give an informed,educated guestimate, of the millions spent on both interests of 'Uncle' , over the years.
My personal opinion was shown when the Deepdale crowd, with me, were invited to applaud his latest Aintree winner. Because I would rather he'd have spent his money on a quality player or two, I did not wish to either stand up, nor clap. I also don't support an industry that I believe is basically cruel, and encourages poverty in far too many people.
I also appreciate the vast sums of money the racing industry give to the Exchequer, and that TH had/ should have the freedom to spend his earnings as he sees fit.
But at the "end of the day" he was happy to see the club jog along as infinitum, maybe just maybe getting lucky, with his other major sporting expenditure simply, regularly, turning
into 'Chum' and 'Pal'.
Contrast that with the efforts of, say,
Dave Whelan and Jack Walker.
g

You seem to imply it was a binary choice in funding PNE or horses. Even after all the press coverage recently it must be apparent that there were many more causes or companies that came into that decision making process even if you don’t agree with it

 

[noelpne]

I never Stated or suggested that it was:- "Either Horses Or PNE" that has led to IMO an under-investment in the Club under his ownership compared to that era of the Club when the team was managed by Billy Davis & Alan Irvine.

It's that fact that TH's two interests
meant that funding PNE could (not 'should', because it's HIS Money!) have been larger , IF the owner didn't have the interest in the other sport.

This is an opinion, but an opinion formed over the time that T.H. has been the sole owner of the club:- Quite a few seasons.

 

[jakehake]

I can't really believe that the majority of PNE fans were Very Happy that TH split his Sporting Interests between Deepdale AND the expense of running a team of Stables, Lads, Jockeys, trainers, Racecourse fees and the rest of the kit & caboodle.

I mean you did. That’s exactly what you’ve blamed for taking investment from the club.

I never Stated or suggested that it was:- "Either Horses Or PNE" that has led to IMO an under-investment in the Club

 

[RibbletonWhite]

There is a misconception,amongst some, that the fans are not happy with the Hemmings family. This is most certainly not the case.
The vast majority hold them in very high esteem and are fully aware of what the late Trevor did for our/his club. Long may it continue.
The misconception has come about largely due to our self proclaimed “Head of Recruitment” alluding to this every time he opens his mouth. The erstwhile “fish filleter” does this in order to feed the myth that we are unhappy with the Hemmings family, and thus detract from his own considerable failings.
Message to Peter:
You’ll see no sheets on Deepdale with “Hemmings Out” printed on them. However you will see your own name in finest Dulux Matt Black if you lose on Saturday. It’s a pressure job “managing” a football club. No use moaning about us fans......that’s what makes “managers” unpopular. (and I don’t mean Frankie😜.....you’ve already hung him out to dry in your last “interview”).

Sorry but I can go back a few weeks before he passed (R.I.P) and there is a few threads suggesting that Trevor doesn’t care about this football club or what is his ambition etc. Remember he did lie about the training ground. He did also refuse to sanction a deal
For kieffer Moore.

I am grateful for what he did for this football club and will always be grateful. But he was holding us back.

 

[Regardless]

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Sorry but I can go back a few weeks before he passed (R.I.P) and there is a few threads suggesting that Trevor doesn’t care about this football club or what is his ambition etc. Remember he did lie about the training ground. He did also refuse to sanction a deal
For kieffer Moore.

I am grateful for what he did for this football club and will always be grateful. But he was holding us back.

I don't agree with your very last sentence... but I do also see a lot of re-writing of history going on!

 

[65on]

I never Stated or suggested that it was:- "Either Horses Or PNE" that has led to IMO an under-investment in the Club under his ownership compared to that era of the Club when the team was managed by Billy Davis & Alan Irvine.

It's that fact that TH's two interests
meant that funding PNE could (not 'should', because it's HIS Money!) have been larger , IF the owner didn't have the interest in the other sport.

This is an opinion, but an opinion formed over the time that T.H. has been the sole owner of the club:- Quite a few seasons.

The most TH spent on a horse was 80k.Has for wages it is common knowledge that racing staff are poorly paid in comparison to the pampered football fraternity. Racing people also put in a full days work 7 days a week.

 

[Tino]

I never Stated or suggested that it was:- "Either Horses Or PNE" that has led to IMO an under-investment in the Club under his ownership compared to that era of the Club when the team was managed by Billy Davis & Alan Irvine.

It's that fact that TH's two interests
meant that funding PNE could (not 'should', because it's HIS Money!) have been larger , IF the owner didn't have the interest in the other sport.

This is an opinion, but an opinion formed over the time that T.H. has been the sole owner of the club:- Quite a few seasons.

His contribution to the football club was a minimum £6M a year and more typically £8M. I'm sure Peter said in his last interview he'd put in £15M over the covid affected period, which was probably a ballpark figure but even so it was no doubt £10M-£12M over the last 18 months. In that same period he'd sold numerous horses and cut back on his racing stuff.

I have no idea how much he spent per year before that. Maybe you should find out.

In summary I don't believe his racing interests affected what he spent on North End.

 

[Libertine]

I am grateful for what he did for this football club and will always be grateful. But he was holding us back.

We'll never know where we would be without him thank goodness, but to say he held us back seems very disingenuous.

 

[diggerb]

We'll never know where we would be without him thank goodness, but to say he held us back seems very disingenuous.

Held us back from sinking maybe !!

 

[frogonastick]

Get rid of ALOT of the deadwood who aren't good enough, if they can't sell or loan them, then tell the players there not in the clubs plans and pay them out? Simple.

Then we will have more to spend that's not being used by players not good enough and players always injured and have never featured.

If we pay them off then we still to pay them? I'm not sure that's the best use of our meagre resources

 

[Deleted member 15792]

If we pay them off then we still to pay them? I'm not sure that's the best use of our meagre resources

Why would you want players at the club taking up team numbers if there not being utilised? It will atleast free up space.

 

[noelpne]

The most TH spent on a horse was 80k.Has for wages it is common knowledge that racing staff are poorly paid in comparison to the pampered football fraternity. Racing people also put in a full days work 7 days a week.

The stables, bought outright ( or rented off a.n. other party? ) Trainer wages, Feed, Vets, Transportation,Course & Jockey fees, - yes I pity the poor Stable Lads & girls who are v. Poorly paid with uncertain prospects unless they 'break through' ( similar to the numbers of lads who start out at a Football Club being weeded-out )
Others in the industry are probably on much better, 'comfortable' salaries.
Could all the expense of this Interest cover the costs of employing two or three Higher- Quality players than 2 or 3 Existing

 

[noelpne]

Quality players at Deepdale?
I can only suspect so.