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Regardless said:
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I don't agree with your very last sentence... but I do also see a lot of re-writing of history going on!
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Libertine said:
We'll never know where we would be without him thank goodness, but to say he held us back seems very disingenuous.
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If refusing to sanction a deal for Moore after receiving 8 million quid for Hugil isn’t holding a club back then I don’t know what is.
And then lieing to fans about the training ground.
 
SlaminSam said:
Why would you want players at the club taking up team numbers if there not being utilised? It will atleast free up space.
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I wouldn't but it's not as simple as paying them off, personally I'd rather see us get better management and coaches in who might make these players better
 
Better management would want better quality players - either bought in or developed. If developed, retained for quite a few seasons before management flogged them.
Better management might either get disillusioned and then throw in the towel before the P45,or just hang in there until a Bigger Club wants them.
 
noelpne said:
I can't really believe that the majority of PNE fans were Very Happy that TH split his Sporting Interests between Deepdale AND the expense of running a team of Stables, Lads, Jockeys, trainers, Racecourse fees and the rest of the kit & caboodle.
Perhaps someone on here can give an informed,educated guestimate, of the millions spent on both interests of 'Uncle' , over the years.
My personal opinion was shown when the Deepdale crowd, with me, were invited to applaud his latest Aintree winner. Because I would rather he'd have spent his money on a quality player or two, I did not wish to either stand up, nor clap. I also don't support an industry that I believe is basically cruel, and encourages poverty in far too many people.
I also appreciate the vast sums of money the racing industry give to the Exchequer, and that TH had/ should have the freedom to spend his earnings as he sees fit.
But at the "end of the day" he was happy to see the club jog along as infinitum, maybe just maybe getting lucky, with his other major sporting expenditure simply, regularly, turning
into 'Chum' and 'Pal'.
Contrast that with the efforts of, say,
Dave Whelan and Jack Walker.
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Ok I want you to spend 50% of your Income on PNE and the rest divided into other activities or life.

Would you do that?

You can't tell people how to spend their Money, but you can thank them if how they spend it benefits you. The money Hemmings spent on PNE benefits us all. So Thank you Mr Hemmings. Your forgetting 1 vital piece of information. The club is Debt Free and yet running at a Loss. Mr Hemmings was not making money out of PNE. He didn't sell PNE Assets to fund a Horse. But he did put a lot of Money in.

I'll say it again, I find it hard to find any reason to Knock Mr Hemmings, apart from the Training Ground and Houses, he did nothing wrong that we know of. Then he passes away and the little rumours you heard, Mr Hemming Donated here and here etc and you think No way he's a tight arse and a Businessman, turn out to be true. But on a lot bigger scale than people imagined. If he had taken a hint of Media attention he deserved, he would of had a Knighthood. He bloody well deserved one.

And whilst I thank Mr Hemmings on a football level with the vast majority of Fans that understood the investment he was making, in the right way for the club, but not for himself. I also thank Mr Hemmings on a Personal Level. Because of Mr Hemmings Quiet Generosity my Carer gets help she needs. My Mums Carers get help they need.

I could sit here and Bitch about the Billions he had, well he could of spared more cash, but no I am here being bloody grateful for all he's done for me, without even knowing he was doing it or who I was, although I had met him a few times. I can't believe that people think they can dictate what hobbies someone has and how they spend their money. Specially when most of it went on Loss making causes. His other business interests that made him bucket loads, maybe could have a gripe about how he spent his wealth, but PNE and its Fans, Nah.

Thank Trevor and rest in Peace.
 
noelpne said:
I can't really believe that the majority of PNE fans were Very Happy that TH split his Sporting Interests between Deepdale AND the expense of running a team of Stables, Lads, Jockeys, trainers, Racecourse fees and the rest of the kit & caboodle.
Perhaps someone on here can give an informed,educated guestimate, of the millions spent on both interests of 'Uncle' , over the years.
My personal opinion was shown when the Deepdale crowd, with me, were invited to applaud his latest Aintree winner. Because I would rather he'd have spent his money on a quality player or two, I did not wish to either stand up, nor clap. I also don't support an industry that I believe is basically cruel, and encourages poverty in far too many people.
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It was his money and as such he reserved the right to spend it how he liked... none of your business !!
 
RibbletonWhite said:
If refusing to sanction a deal for Moore after receiving 8 million quid for Hugil isn’t holding a club back then I don’t know what is.
And then lieing to fans about the
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RibbletonWhite said:
If refusing to sanction a deal for Moore after receiving 8 million quid for Hugil isn’t holding a club back then I don’t know what is.
And then lieing to fans about the training ground.
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People always forget that 25% of the transfer fee went to Port Vale and there is a VAT.element which is due to HMRC of 20% as it was a domestic transfer
 
sardine said:
People always forget that 25% of the transfer fee went to Port Vale and there is a VAT.element which is due to HMRC of 20% as it was a domestic transfer
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The VAT will have been paid by West Ham though - and would subsequently have been part of their VAT return, so they'd get it back.
 
sardine said:
People always forget that 25% of the transfer fee went to Port Vale and there is a VAT.element which is due to HMRC of 20% as it was a domestic transfer
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Yes but people also forget that Barnsley were willing to accept just less than two million for kieffer moore. Similar to what we paid for bayliss and double what we paid for nugent in wages pretty much.
 
MBcha said:
I agree we've got plenty we need to move on but I'm not sure how paying up their contracts would leave us with more money to spend?
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It wouldn't, and actually could leave us worse off as those with contracts spreading over more than one year the transfer fees and wages will currently be more thinly spread, but paying them off (why would they accept a lesser amount?) we'd take a big hit in year. It doesn't make any sense with the window being closed and financially.
 
The lack of utilising Sinclair out wide in his natural, goal scoring position is criminal and I can definitely see him going out on loan to someone like Bolton, or even Blackpool in Jan if he's keen to stay in the NW.
Huddersfield too maybe, I'm sure there will be suitors to pay 50% of his wage.
 
SF said:
The lack of utilising Sinclair out wide in his natural, goal scoring position is criminal and I can definitely see him going out on loan to someone like Bolton, or even Blackpool in Jan if he's keen to stay in the NW.
Huddersfield too maybe, I'm sure there will be suitors to pay 50% of his wage.
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As if we'd loan anyone half decent to Blackpool.
 
Libertine said:
Didn't Reading just sign Andy Carroll? How have they done that then?
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Yes, interestingly they have also been given a further 6 point deduction if they don’t meet certain cost cutting measures. I assume that they have decided that if they sign Carroll and he gets them 6 points more than they would have otherwise expected to get without him, they will be better off signing him and taking the hit on the additional 6 point deduction.
 
Town__Ender said:
Yes, interestingly they have also been given a further 6 point deduction if they don’t meet certain cost cutting measures. I assume that they have decided that if they sign Carroll and he gets them 6 points more than they would have otherwise expected to get without him, they will be better off signing him and taking the hit on the additional 6 point deduction.
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They must be hoping that he can get fit enough to play as well, unlike our gambles in that sort of market.
 
noelpne said:
I also appreciate the vast sums of money the racing industry give to the Exchequer, and that TH had/ should have the freedom to spend his earnings as he sees fit.
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What I've written if you scroll back.
I'm sure the gentleman was quite philanthropic and charitable to family and friends and no doubt to unfortunate individuals.
In relation to PNE, though, and how the Club has been bankrolled, all of those generous acts of kindness
you mention - are irrelevant.
People may or may not deserve medals, knighthoods or other awards, and perhaps TH does.
But they wouldn't be awarded on the strength of what he's achieved for a Northern Town football club. Meanwhile I can see a case for Jack Walker and Dave Whelan, however.
 
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