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Fourth and crap??????????

Fourth and crap??????????

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Well here we are sitting in fourth position (yes I know how tight the points situation is) and thats with (according to this board) crap players Hill, Chilvers, McKenna, Dichio, Aggy and Nuge.

Amazing really is`nt it.

Are any of our players playing well I wonder?
 
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thonker3 said:
Well here we are sitting in fourth position (yes I know how tight the points situation is) and thats with (according to this board) crap players Hill, Chilvers, McKenna, Dichio, Aggy and Nuge.

Amazing really is`nt it.

Are any of our players playing well I wonder?


Paddy is doing ok, but you hit the nail on the head about Chilvers, he is crap.
 
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Personally I think Chilvers has done a great job for us especially in view of the circumstances, he looks comfortable on the ball and can pass well. Not bad for someone brought in on a free as understudy to Mawene.
 
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thonker3 said:
he looks comfortable on the ball and can pass well.


Even if I say so myself, so do I, and like Chilvers I am currently carrying a few extra pounds. Granted he has come in at a time when we have lost two outstanding centre halves, however we shouldn't let this cloud our judgement of him. He has done ok at best, but having attended most games home and away this I have to say that I am far from impressed with him.
 
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Where_is_Big_George? said:
Even if I say so myself, so do I, and like Chilvers I am currently carrying a few extra pounds. Granted he has come in at a time when we have lost two outstanding centre halves, however we shouldn't let this cloud our judgement of him. He has done ok at best, but having attended most games home and away this I have to say that I am far from impressed with him.
If he's that bad how do you explain that we have the joint best goals against record in the division ? Our other defenders aren't so good that they could carry a passenger for 10 games .
 
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thonker3 said:
Well here we are sitting in fourth position (yes I know how tight the points situation is) and thats with (according to this board) crap players Hill, Chilvers, McKenna, Dichio, Aggy and Nuge.

Amazing really is`nt it.

Are any of our players playing well I wonder?


thonker3 there is only a lucky draw last Saturday between us and 9th place 🙄 You ask are we playing well, the answer to that is, some of the time. Against Shef U, QPR we played absolute tosh, against Cardiff and WBA they were good exciting games, Wolves was reasonable, against Derby ok, against Barnsley and Stoke complete tosh again. On Saturday, we had three shots at goal in 90 minutes (all on target though) Stoke had 12, 6 on target and 6 off, that is twice the amount of on target and 4 times more chances than us. If I were you, I would ask that question again in, say, another 9-10 games, when I hope we will all be able to say we are playing brilliantly. :mawene:
 
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I think Chlivers as been outstanding for us so far this season.

Don't forget he was only bought as an understudy for Mawane yet the lad was thrown stright into the side and i think he as done an amazing job for us. I thought he was man of the match agianst Barnsley and he as been consistent in nearly every game he's played. Also the lad is begining to gain confidence and we saw that on Saturday when he played some superb balls out of defence. Course he can improve what player can't? but for a lad who's come stright into a Champioship side and who as perform so well says loads about the lad. So it's hats of to him as far as i am concerned and i personally can only see him getting better.

Well done mate

Joan we are basically a side thats still gelling togther so for us to be where we are is brillient. At Southampton i thought we were the better side against WBA and Cardiff why say they were brilleint games why not say we were good instead which we were. That statment seems that you are not giving credit were credit is due.. The lads are doing brilliently. We are a hard side to beat, we keep our shape well, we are organized and we are 4th in the league. What more do you want.. I find it amazing that Paul Simpson as gelled a side together as quick as he as..

Brillient is the word i would use as well
 
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Joanpne said:
thonker3 there is only a lucky draw last Saturday between us and 9th place 🙄 You ask are we playing well, the answer to that is, some of the time. Against Shef U, QPR we played absolute tosh, against Cardiff and WBA they were good exciting games, Wolves was reasonable, against Derby ok, against Barnsley and Stoke complete tosh again. On Saturday, we had three shots at goal in 90 minutes (all on target though) Stoke had 12, 6 on target and 6 off, that is twice the amount of on target and 4 times more chances than us. If I were you, I would ask that question again in, say, another 9-10 games, when I hope we will all be able to say we are playing brilliantly. :mawene:

When did we play Sheff U then?
 
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Spot on Mel. The table don't lie and the goals against column is evidence that Chilvers is'nt as shitty as some people like to make out. O.k he may look dodgey on the ball sometimes and may not always match his man for pace but I remember when C. Davis first started out he was a bit of a liability too.

If it ain't broke don't fix it...(but I expect Wilson will break into that berth at some point this season...injuries etc)
 
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we are'nt playing to our full potential and we're in the play-off zone.

fine people criticise certain players, but i for one feel that chilvers is a lot better of a player since he first joined us. he's got a brilliant long ball on him has chilvers and he and the saint link up well.

if we play to our full potential (i.e v West Brom) then we will end up in the top 3 at the end of the season. we're the only team to beat cardiff this season and we are one of only two teams to beat west brom (the other being sunderland). we've lost once in 10 games, only conceding 2 at home in 5 games and fine we dont score enough but as the games progress we should be able to score more, with the introduction of Mellor and the re-introduction of Ormerod, Nowland and dare I say it Smith to the equation.

i feel the next 6 games are crucial, Sunderland (h), followed by a long midweek trip to Ipswich, then Hull at home followed by the friday night derby with (dare I say) on form Burnley, then Leeds and Luton at home. If we can take a minimum of 12 from the 18 points available we'll be in very good shape for the rest of the season. Plus, Simmo hasn't used the loan market yet, which will come in use at some point.
 
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it's the simple forumla of

win your home matches and draw your away ones.

If you can do that, you get promoted.
 
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Where_is_Big_George? said:
Paddy is doing ok, but you hit the nail on the head about Chilvers, he is crap.

As was Nugent . And McKenna was also off-the-boil too.

But Stoke were deffinately more-up-for-it--------I saw there was a bit of waiting-for-the-ball rather than going looking for it-which is what Stoke were doing MORE of.

And when we scored it was the first time we went down the (relatively empty) centre - where there had been lots of gaps there before then, - but not been exploited.

Very disapointed with Nugent. Perhaps he should be hypnotised that he's playing for Young England?
 
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It is very interesting that the games in which we are described as having played better are those where the opposition have been interested in giving us a football match rather than challenging us to break them down.

As others have said in other threads it is obvious that we struggle against sides that have no interest in committing players forward, who pack the midfield and ask us to do the work. This problem affects almost every team, and is certainly not something we can easily resolve by simply changing one or two players (Whoever's turn it is to be the scapegoat).

Against Sheffield Wednesday we had one shot on target and they had none. If we were lucky then that one shot goes in, we get the three points (people would still question it only bein 1-0, a la Barnsley, but we would have the points). Ultimately it did not go in, our strikers are not on the sort of form that bags a goal with almost every shot.

We need to work on the breaking down of defence minded teams at Deepdale, but it is by no means given that because a team has 10 men or is well down the league, we will win. (See West Brom 10 beating the dirties)

By all means do not be impressed with the football that is played at times, and look at the ways in which that could be improved via personnell. Branding any particular performance crap, absent of any contextual comment, is I feel unnecessary. We are 4th 😀 , below Cardiff and Dingles 🙄 , well above some of the so called 'bigger clubs' 😀
 
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The Thonker / Surf cant see anything that is not rose coloured club. Fourth is a very good league position considering who we have played and how we have played.

We have played one team who is above us Cardiff, and played very well against them, as we did against West Brom, but for the late introduction of Neal against QPR we would have lost, the games against Stoke, Barnsley, Derby, Shef Wed and especially Norwich we were second best for large parts of these games, against a very poor Wolves side on the night we did score three goals, and Southampton was a very good away point with a kind of backs to the wall performance, so all things being equal, we are probably in a false league position, but that is where we are.

The Thonker/ Surf brigade seem to think that all is rosey in the garden, but Wilson is a far better player that Chilvers, and Neal gives us a wide option that can get round the back of defences, so why not improve the team. Simpson for all his ability to get the team to fourth in the league, seems reluctant to see past his own signings, they have featured in all his selections regardless of their performances. St Ledger is proving to be a decent buy and deserves his place, but the defensive ability of Chilvers is questionable, and Pugh just gives us no variety wide left (has a decent shot though).

People keep on about Matty Hill, what cover does Pugh give him NONE, so Hill often has two attackers on his side, with McKenna having to move out of position to help out, Chilvers is rescued by the pace of St Ledger and the coaching from Nash and Alexander, with Dichio being at times our best defender in the air.

I hope that the unbeaten run continues, but not at the expense of poor drab draws, 10 points lost already to draws, Shef Wed, QPR, Stoke, Derby should have given us at leat 4 more points, with the draw at Southampton being a decent result.

Sunderland, Birmingham, Coventry, Leeds, Leicester big games where decent results are needed, how many Surf/ Thonker points do you think we will pick up, or how many points do supporters with a realistic outlook think we will get?

One can only hope that the return to fitness of O'Neil, Ormerod, Nowland and Davidson will give a greater strength and depth to our play, but will Simpson play any of these guys in front of Pugh or Chilvers, will Wilson have to wait till there is a ban or injury. I think we have been a bit lucky so far, we cant ride that luck for ever.

As a club that HAS to sell to survive under the current regime, is the continued non playing of Wilson depriving us of not only the services of a superb defender, but his value in a future transfer deal?
 
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Where_is_Big_George? said:
Paddy is doing ok, but you hit the nail on the head about Chilvers, he is crap.
This gem of a quote coming from someone who even now champions the cause of George Koumantarakis. AKA the Dead Falling Tree. Now he WAS Crap!!
Sorry WIBG, have to take your judgement of players with a huge pinch of salt because you clearly don't know a decent player from a crap one. 😀
Regarding Chilvers, yeah he can make you nervous when he is clearing the ball as he miss kicks it a bit. But he is still learning, has a decent background from Arsenal & has potential to improve. And he is improving.
 
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