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wld said:
I think that’s what I was saying - I have no issue with Rafferty incidentally, he is what he is and what he is is an average full back who has very good games and sometimes makes errors.
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haha again i dont think he makes many errors, he avoids errors entirely but taking basically zero chances he just gets rid!, and this is the problem
 
Schemer said:
Fisher has certainly shown he is capable of getting further forward but even he often opts for a backwards or sideways pass, despite having space to drive into. It's almost as though he's playing to instructions.....and maybe that's the problem.
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I am in no doubt this happens. It's as if he takes away the players freedom to express themselves & it's drummed into them when they get into a certain position they have to do this or that.

I'm not singling him out & this isn't a criticism but Sinclair for example should be running at players, beating them & getting crosses into the box or at least create something. I don't think I've seen him getting anywhere near the dead ball line since he signed.

That was the kind of player I was expecting to see when we signed him & for whatever reason it hasn't materialized.
 
The full backs weren’t to blame for last night’s defeat. We were miles too pedestrian in midfield. Woods for them was making things happen with quick forward passes. We moved the ball so slowly that their defenders were always back in position. The style we play comes from the training ground.
 
California_PNE said:
haha again i dont think he makes many errors, he avoids errors entirely but taking basically zero chances he just gets rid!, and this is the problem
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Possibly, it’s the hurried clearances maybe that I’d say was a weakness - but obviously he’s doing that as it’s avoiding making bigger mistakes. I’d have a Rafferty over Hughes every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 
pet shop boy said:
The full backs weren’t to blame for last night’s defeat. We were miles too pedestrian in midfield. Woods for them was making things happen with quick forward passes. We moved the ball so slowly that their defenders were always back in position. The style we play comes from the training ground.
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Millwall were so deep and organised, just staring at us over the trenches. Even when we 'tried' to draw them out to create a bit of space, 2 or 3 players pressed forward over the half-way line, we just continued to pass it backwards. We needed to look to capitalise in those moments, break forward with a bit of quick, crisp passing. Was all non-existent.
 
California_PNE said:
haha think we're all profusely agreeing, im just anti slating rafferty and hughes, i hate it especially when its not warranted or accurate

these two cannot do what people want from them, so whats the point in slating them for something they cannot do

they always do their best, pne bought them and we dont have alternatives because cause we're shit at landing targets - we all know it
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Nobody is slating them or their work rates. Everyone knows they're trying their best.

But it does seem pretty obvious now that do limit us quite a lot at home. We need full backs with pace who will carry the ball forward, and distribute the ball. Rafferty and Hughes usually stand behind the halfway line and either pass it back to Rudd or hoof it forward to nobody.

I agree it's obvious we've fail to land upgrades in the full back areas, but we have alternatives in Fisher and Earl waiting in the wings and it's probably time for them to come into the side, especially with the number of games we have coming up. They will take more risks and maybe make more errors but they will give us a better chance of looking like a good side going forwards.

The difference in full backs last night was frightening tbh, their lad Romeo had bags of pace and drive to get forward.
 
Forward, threaded passes into the 3 or the 1, that got in between the lines, last night, were few and far between. However, on the few occasions that they did happen, they were knocked back out immediately! This was a big contributory factor in the overall pace of attacks.
 
Who would you rather have? Romeo and malone or rafferty and hughes? The role of the full backs has changed a lot in recent years it’s all about going forward now and less so about defending. Our formation we play needs a lot more going forward from the FBs especially at home when we need to be on the front foot. We have had a lot worse than raff and hughes and they are steady away but for us to be challenging at the top end of the table we are going to need better (easier said than done I know!) look at all the full backs we’ve been linked with fairly recently! Lowe,Johnson,Freeman etc, Neil knows he needs better but this is the same old situation we find ourselves in all the time unfortunately.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
Nobody is slating them or their work rates. Everyone knows they're trying their best.

But it does seem pretty obvious now that do limit us quite a lot at home. We need full backs with pace who will carry the ball forward, and distribute the ball. Rafferty and Hughes usually stand behind the halfway line and either pass it back to Rudd or hoof it forward to nobody.

I agree it's obvious we've fail to land upgrades in the full back areas, but we have alternatives in Fisher and Earl waiting in the wings and it's probably time for them to come into the side, especially with the number of games we have coming up. They will take more risks and maybe make more errors but they will give us a better chance of looking like a good side going forwards.

The difference in full backs last night was frightening tbh, their lad Romeo had bags of pace and drive to get forward.
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i didnt say people slag off their work rates, im saying people slag them off for stuff they cant do, whats the point? the lack of alternatives and inability of our club to land the necessary talent is the problem, not cause hughes causes opposition zero sleepless nights

i think i want to make it clear our fullbacks are probaly the weakest area of what otherwise is a top 6 side, imo. but the lads we do have in there play to their maximum, just thier maximum isnt quite good enough in games like last night.
 
Raff's crossing is shit, and we were warned about it when we signed him too. Just hits lofted balls and hopes for the best. Fisher badly missed.

Where was this mentioned that Earl sees himself as a LCB?
 
California_PNE said:
im saying people slag them off for stuff they cant do, whats the point?
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People are talking about what they can't do, because it's exactly that that holds us back. And stuff they can't do is pretty basic things you'd expect from full backs at this level.

If a striker couldn't score, you wouldn't say it's "stuff he can't do" so we can't criticise for it.

I think we have good full back alternatives in the squad. They just need to be given a chance, starting at the weekend.

I would also bring Gally back into the midfield and Pearson is fit. Our general lack of quality on the ball and our passing last night was shambolic. The strategy seemed to be to smack balls into the channel and hope for the best. Millwall defence is far too good to be put under pressure by anything like that.
 
pne1881 said:
I am in no doubt this happens. It's as if he takes away the players freedom to express themselves & it's drummed into them when they get into a certain position they have to do this or that.

I'm not singling him out & this isn't a criticism but Sinclair for example should be running at players, beating them & getting crosses into the box or at least create something. I don't think I've seen him getting anywhere near the dead ball line since he signed.

That was the kind of player I was expecting to see when we signed him & for whatever reason it hasn't materialized.
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Careful....you'll be slated soon for being 'outdated' - wanting wingers to get to the dead ball line?! It seems that even when played on their 'correct' sides, they're expected to cut in rather than get to the line.
 
HunterLionheart said:
Raff's crossing is shit, and we were warned about it when we signed him too. Just hits lofted balls and hopes for the best. Fisher badly missed.

Where was this mentioned that Earl sees himself as a LCB?
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Josh just wants to play and would play anywhere. He played LCB and left of a three on loan and enjoyed it. He is big, strong, quick and composed on the ball. Whereever he ends up playing he will give his best
 
pne1881 said:
I am in no doubt this happens. It's as if he takes away the players freedom to express themselves & it's drummed into them when they get into a certain position they have to do this or that.

I'm not singling him out & this isn't a criticism but Sinclair for example should be running at players, beating them & getting crosses into the box or at least create something. I don't think I've seen him getting anywhere near the dead ball line since he signed.

That was the kind of player I was expecting to see when we signed him & for whatever reason it hasn't materialized.
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Sinclair has never been a player that got to the dead ball line and put in a cross. At Celtic and at Swans he was utilised as a left forward who would cut in and shoot
 
sedgwick__7 said:
People are talking about what they can't do, because it's exactly that that holds us back. And stuff they can't do is pretty basic things you'd expect from full backs at this level.

If a striker couldn't score, you wouldn't say it's "stuff he can't do" so we can't criticise for it.

I think we have good full back alternatives in the squad. They just need to be given a chance, starting at the weekend.

I would also bring Gally back into the midfield and Pearson is fit. Our general lack of quality on the ball and our passing last night was shambolic. The strategy seemed to be to smack balls into the channel and hope for the best. Millwall defence is far too good to be put under pressure by anything like that.
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a measly pne bought these players with the deficiencies they have, i dont understand how you feel justified in the opinion you arrive at, being frustrated with rafferty when pne have failed to get a better player in, its bizarre

but then i read you want gally back ... then it all makes sense
 
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