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Goalkeeper thread.

Goalkeeper thread.

Last season we averaged more points with Rudd in goals. I'd rather have more points than clean sheets.

Rudd's stint coincided with Maguire's return from injury, whereas Maxwell played for the best part of 2 months with a barebones defence that never seemed to settle. UnfIr to compare them on points alone.
 
Say Maxwell comes in and then he makes a few mistakes. Maxwell also looks like he has a mistake in him with his rush goalkeeper type game. We can't keep changing keepers all the time.
 
Cock ups ?
Goal one - how did their player end up even having a shot relatively unchallenged, Rudd was faced with a 50/50 at this distance to shift his body weight, it's a split second choice, their player dips a shoulder but goes the other way, Rudd tries to readjust but cannot
Goal two - ball is knocked in to the far post - defenders ball all day long at that range even though it's in the six yard box, little if no challenge - that said rudd went down in instalments and should have done much better.

Shot from fisher to compare and contrast - ball comes to him - his posture and position is totally wrong and the clangers have to return the ball from space - hardly mentioned but just as much a cock up as Derby's second goal

I tire of the blame game. Our issues are far greater than Rudd or maxwell for that matter, we are defending poorly and couldn't bag a goal for toffee at the moment because are strikers are league one standard at the very very best
Can't see your argument two saves that should be made going back phases in play doesn't take the blame for Rudd's mistakes.
 
We spend millions of years evolving then Rudd goes vegan. What will he use his incisor teeth for now? Maybe, as they are now useless to him, he will have them removed. At least if he then smiles at opposing strikers he will scare them half to death! Could work! 🙂

Incisors are actually getting smaller because we are not meant to use them, our mouths also move up and down side to side like most plant eating mammals whilst all carnivores have a simple up down chewing motion.

I have 3 vegans in my immediate family.
 
Can't see your argument two saves that should be made going back phases in play doesn't take the blame for Rudd's mistakes.

My offering is goal one is totally the defenders fault
Goal two whilst a keeper error again is a defensive error
And final point is we scored no goals again so Rudd, Maxwell or even an arthritic ageing keeper such as myself will certainly play a part but to point the blame at that sole position is beyond me
Maybe it's a keeper issue that cost us a point but if we have any intention of progressing in this league hopes and prayers for an away goalless draw just show how lacking we are up front
Right now I almost want to drop our strike force at the local train station and bring in the youth squad !
 
Silly to suggest that goalkeepers should be judged by points per game. Points per game is largely down to what happens at the top end of the pitch, scoring goals. Clean sheets are surely a much more sensible barometer.

Rudd has kept 4 clean sheets in 25 games since he signed. That’s really poor and when Rudd is between the sticks we generally need to score twice to win.
 
I take it you saw Rudd's cock ups yesterday. So does he start the next league game for you because this team's crying out for a clean sheet.

Did you see Maxwell's cock ups against Morecambe and Derby in his last games for us? Yes I'd play Rudd next game.

Our problem is we're struggling to score goals. Goals win matches, not clean sheets.
 
My offering is goal one is totally the defenders fault
Goal two whilst a keeper error again is a defensive error
And final point is we scored no goals again so Rudd, Maxwell or even an arthritic ageing keeper such as myself will certainly play a part but to point the blame at that sole position is beyond me
Maybe it's a keeper issue that cost us a point but if we have any intention of progressing in this league hopes and prayers for an away goalless draw just show how lacking we are up front
Right now I almost want to drop our strike force at the local train station and bring in the youth squad !

I agree. I think the stick Rudd is getting for the first goal is a bit harsh. Pearson, Huntington and even Fisher seem exempt from the criticism to allow a player to shoot from inside the box. The keeper should do better but the shot shouldn't come in in the first place. I pick on Fisher because he was 'jogging' back into position whilst Derby was on the attack. Something I'm surprised no one has picked up on.
 
Both fairly decent overall but I'm a Maxwell fan. I don't like how Rudd stays on his line so much. I do like the way Maxwell covers the whole area. Neither is perfect but they are what we have.
 
Energies better spent debating the fact we cannot score for me
As a father famous manager once said
Ignore how many they score as long as we score more
We couldn’t score in a brothel right now
Blaming Rudd which is understandable is just a scapegoat route ignoring our obvious problem

Exactly... when we aren’t holding the ball up in attack it keeps coming back, allowing teams to gain momentum by not scoring and giving away stupid free kicks in and around our box we may find the issue sits beyond our goalkeepers...

Yes the goals weren’t good to concede against Derby but we are issue is up top yet we are blaming our keeper... keepers make mistakes but over a season I’d have Rudd over the ‘sweeper keeper’


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A simple pass into Hunts is shocking is it? Hunts had hours to pass or get rid he took an age to take a touch and was closed down.

Norwich he was positioned for the cross and Maddison put it in the corner, nowt to be done for me really.

Rudd loves his line too much, needs to be proactive which he isn't and it gives the opposition chances and makes our back 4 nervy.

The clean sheets don't lie.

No but I guess you need more stats on it than simply clean sheets. A keeper can have a blinder and concede 3 but do fuck all and keep a clean sheet... there are 10 other men in front that help create clean sheets.... no shots no goals Ron


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No but I guess you need more stats on it than simply clean sheets. A keeper can have a blinder and concede 3 but do fuck all and keep a clean sheet... there are 10 other men in front that help create clean sheets.... no shots no goals Ron


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You're right, you can't judge a goalkeeper on just clean sheets. A goalkeeper might keep 46 clean sheets and his team could get relegated. A goalkeeper might keep 0 clean sheets and his team win the league.

There are a lot of factors to judge a goalkeeper on, not simply just on clean sheets.
 
You're right, you can't judge a goalkeeper on just clean sheets. A goalkeeper might keep 46 clean sheets and his team could get relegated. A goalkeeper might keep 0 clean sheets and his team win the league.

There are a lot of factors to judge a goalkeeper on, not simply just on clean sheets.

Genuinely, why do you think we have kept 4 clean sheets in 25 games with Rudd, compared to 12 in 31 with Maxwell. There’s a fairly big difference there. Is it purely a coincidence? Does Maxwell command his area better?
 
No but I guess you need more stats on it than simply clean sheets. A keeper can have a blinder and concede 3 but do fuck all and keep a clean sheet... there are 10 other men in front that help create clean sheets.... no shots no goals Ron


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Clean sheets give a team confidence goals conceded every game doesn't. The thing we all need players and fans is confidence. At the minute we look far from hard to beat.
 
IF we are to continue with the pressing game, Maxwell has to start imo. You can’t play a pressing game with a goalkeeper who is constantly rooted to his line. The defenders need to be allowed to defend further up the pitch and this is what Maxwell brings to the team. The song and dance on here about the goal Maxwell conceded against Derby last season, and that he should be dropped. If the Manager is to be consistent with his decision making, then Rudd needs to be dropped after his performance yesterday.
 
You're right, you can't judge a goalkeeper on just clean sheets. A goalkeeper might keep 46 clean sheets and his team could get relegated. A goalkeeper might keep 0 clean sheets and his team win the league.

There are a lot of factors to judge a goalkeeper on, not simply just on clean sheets.

No you can't but clean sheets are a huge factor. Our best permanent keeper in recent times was Carlo Nash. We kept most clean sheets in a 46 games season ever.

Obviously we had great defenders in our team - Mawene, Davis etc. But for me what helped our defence so much was Nash's commanding of his area.

He often told players were to be at set pieces/free kicks. He came to claim corners/free kicks etc. The defence had complete trust in him. He was very assured. For me, Rudd is not a communicator. I am not saying he needs to be dropped even though I do prefer Maxwell. But at times especially at set pieces he needs to be more vocal.

For me - the best keepers are the most vocal and the ones who commands his area the most. You can have the best defence in the world but if a keeper is rooted to his line all the time and doesn't tell his defence what to do, the team won't be keeping many clean sheets.
 
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Genuinely, why do you think we have kept 4 clean sheets in 25 games with Rudd, compared to 12 in 31 with Maxwell. There’s a fairly big difference there. Is it purely a coincidence? Does Maxwell command his area better?

Yes Maxwell commands his area better, but that alone doesn't make him a better keeper. There's a whole lot of other factors, which since January has made Neil believe Rudd is the better of the 2.

It could also be said that as we were chasing a play off position in the last few months, and we needed to win games to try close the gap, we needed to be more offensive which made us less tight at the back. I think both our goals scored and points gained improved when Rudd was in goals. So we either attempted to be more offensive, or we became more clinical.

Both keepers have pros and cons over the other. Overall I think their both of a similar standard which is that they are decent keepers at this level. We've had better in the past.
 
Incisors are actually getting smaller because we are not meant to use them, our mouths also move up and down side to side like most plant eating mammals whilst all carnivores have a simple up down chewing motion.

I have 3 vegans in my immediate family.

You are correct in saying the human jaw is changing but you have the wrong reason. Prior to the invention of the fork our teeth sat neatly one set on top of the other. Since the invention of the fork and how we use it the front set of teeth now overlap the bottom set. (Ask any archaeologist!). This in turn has changed how we chew and bite. Its got nothing to do with the type of food eaten.

But anyway … I think both keepers are to be ranked among the best in our division. They have different styles and, being human, make occasional errors. Errors that people notice more due to being the last line of defence where errors are costly. But I am yet to see a Championship side whose 1st and 2nd choice keeper I would gladly swap ours for as a pair.
 
You are correct in saying the human jaw is changing but you have the wrong reason. Prior to the invention of the fork our teeth sat neatly one set on top of the other. Since the invention of the fork and how we use it the front set of teeth now overlap the bottom set. (Ask any archaeologist!). This in turn has changed how we chew and bite. Its got nothing to do with the type of food eaten.

But anyway … I think both keepers are to be ranked among the best in our division. They have different styles and, being human, make occasional errors. Errors that people notice more due to being the last line of defence where errors are costly. But I am yet to see a Championship side whose 1st and 2nd choice keeper I would gladly swap ours for as a pair.
Having a bottom row of teeth that overlap the top set of teeth is normal though....... In BURNLEY.
 
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