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Goalkeeper thread.

Goalkeeper thread.

As for the keepers, I would be asking Southampton about the availability of current 3rd choice, unless he is injured, Fraser Forster on loan till January.

You don't ask etc...

hahaha come on man, he's on north of £70k a week ffs, 15% of his wages would break our wage structure
 
You cant blame Rudd for the Crouch goal. 6 feet 7 striker with champions league and world cup experience, outside the 6 yard box at the near post. No keeper is coming and claiming that ball, not even Maxwell.

But, the idea is correct. By rarely coming to claim the ball Rudd makes far fewer 'howlers' than Maxwell does, however being rooted to his line there is a greater level of pressure on the defence, leading to us conceding more.

Maxwell receives heavy criticism because his mistakes are very obvious to any observer, Rudd's mistakes are, in my opinion, less visible but he makes more of them. His clean sheet record is a direct product of these mistakes

Of course you can blame Rudd for Crouch’s goal. He may be 6’7” but the goalkeeper is allowed to use his hands to get to the ball, and therefore was the best person to deal with the threat in that instance.
 
You cant blame Rudd for the Crouch goal. 6 feet 7 striker with champions league and world cup experience, outside the 6 yard box at the near post. No keeper is coming and claiming that ball, not even Maxwell.

When they were bringing on Crouch, you could see Clarke and Davies discussing it. Neither of them are tall enough to handle Crouch arially. Crouch's size made it absolutely imperative that Rudd should take care of Crouch from set pieces, as it was clear that no one else in the team could get near him. Clarke handled him very well on the ground (not easy as Crouch is pretty tricky with his feet too), but I'd agree with btw that the Crouch goal was Rudd's fault
 
Of course you can blame Rudd for Crouch’s goal. He may be 6’7” but the goalkeeper is allowed to use his hands to get to the ball, and therefore was the best person to deal with the threat in that instance.

Absolute nonsense. No keeper in the world comes for that. Blame Rudd all you want for the Derby goals, they were shite but you can't blame him for that one.
 
This is shit for Maxwell imo. He gets his chance and it's going to be at free scoring Leeds, we are in for a hammering tonight imo and Maxwell will be busy. 4 1 Leeds.

Hopefully Leeds will play a 2nd string with a match against Middlesbrough coming up, I think on Friday night.

Micky probably took that into account when suggesting it would only be four.


I think raefil's point (#124) is a good one... that we play a bit higher up the pitch with Maxwell in goal. It's not just what happens in the penalty area where a goalkeeper can have an influence.
 
Of course you can blame Rudd for Crouch’s goal. He may be 6’7” but the goalkeeper is allowed to use his hands to get to the ball, and therefore was the best person to deal with the threat in that instance.

In the area where crouch headed the ball, there were 6 players around Crouch. Even if Rudd had come for the ball I see no way in which he could have beaten a literal giant to it whilst trying to get through big players like Shawcross and Ashley Williams at the same time.

No pundit on sky blamed him for the goal, and we shouldnt either, beyond Courtouis i dont reckon there is many elite goalkeepers who might have got that ball
 
Another novel approach is we could look a little further as to why teams are getting more shots on target thus working our keepers more - The 1st goal on Saturday was 100% down to poor defending but Ruud seems to stand for blame in some eyes ?, add to that if we bricked up the nets the best we could hope for is 0-0 due to the fact that our goals if any at all come from set pieces or anywhere other than our striker it becomes obvious to me that our problems are a lot deeper than debates about "sweeper keeper" or "glued to the line"
 
Another novel approach is we could look a little further as to why teams are getting more shots on target thus working our keepers more - The 1st goal on Saturday was 100% down to poor defending but Ruud seems to stand for blame in some eyes ?,

In the last 3 games we have conceded 11 shots on target. 6 of those have resulted in goals.

Over the last 3 games Rudd has a save rate of 54%, serious cause for concern.
 
In the last 3 games we have conceded 11 shots on target. 6 of those have resulted in goals.

Over the last 3 games Rudd has a save rate of 54%, serious cause for concern.

Our strikers score rate is 0%

I am not debating you are right or wrong about Rudd v Maxwell, I am debating that we have very little money and it needs to be used wisely and that not in changing keepers, its only a heartbeat ago Maxwell was spinning out of his net like he had eaten too many e numbers and drunk too much full sugar pop or going up for catches and totally missing the ball - both have flaws - to err is to be human - but right now I would prefer to get past the 0% strike rate and maybe live with the 54% as you quote
 
Another novel approach is we could look a little further as to why teams are getting more shots on target thus working our keepers more - The 1st goal on Saturday was 100% down to poor defending but Ruud seems to stand for blame in some eyes ?, add to that if we bricked up the nets the best we could hope for is 0-0 due to the fact that our goals if any at all come from set pieces or anywhere other than our striker it becomes obvious to me that our problems are a lot deeper than debates about "sweeper keeper" or "glued to the line"

Both Rudd and Maxwell are OK keepers at this level and I wouldn't be averse to replacing both of them at some point. But we've got much bigger problems with which to spend the spare tenner Trev has found in the pocket of his house trousers.
 
Both Rudd and Maxwell are OK keepers at this level and I wouldn't be averse to replacing both of them at some point. But we've got much bigger problems with which to spend the spare tenner Trev has found in the pocket of his house trousers.

Oddly see 152 which i posted 1 second earlier than your offering my friend - I 100% agree with you

Its picky I know but its actually £8.40
 
You cant blame Rudd for the Crouch goal. 6 feet 7 striker with champions league and world cup experience, outside the 6 yard box at the near post. No keeper is coming and claiming that ball, not even Maxwell.

But, the idea is correct. By rarely coming to claim the ball Rudd makes far fewer 'howlers' than Maxwell does, however being rooted to his line there is a greater level of pressure on the defence, leading to us conceding more.

Maxwell receives heavy criticism because his mistakes are very obvious to any observer, Rudd's mistakes are, in my opinion, less visible but he makes more of them. His clean sheet record is a direct product of these mistakes

I disagree about the Crouch goal, I feel he could have come and punched but we'll agree to disagree on that. Couldn't agree more with the rest of your post, though.
 
Criticism of Rudd is fair for his mistakes on Saturday, but I do think at the same time, the thing with Maxwell seems like a classic case of you're never better than when you're not playing.

He's a decent enough (but slightly error prone) keeper, we saw that when he was playing regularly. Suddenly now he's out of the team, he'd be claiming absolutely everything that Rudd isn't, and would've be strutting out of goal and jumping above Peter Crouch and claiming the ball.

Unfortunately I think both just aren't THAT good. Problem is we can't be changing keepers every 5 games.
 
Why doesn't the lad from Ipswich we signed never get a run out. Seems a strange decision to get a keeper in just so Hudson can go out on loan.

Not really. Most teams have three keepers. Chelsea brought in Rob Green - he will never play but he's there just in case.
If there was still an emergency loan window then we probably wouldn't need a new keeper but if Rudd of Maxwell get injured then we will be left with a youth keeper on the bench. Let Hudson go out and get some experience and you never know he could be our new number one in a few years time.
 
After years of watching our Keepers glued to their lines ( I assume it's coached into them ) it was like a breath of fresh air when Herman arrived... He may not have been a regular " worldie " Keeper but bloody hell he didn't half take the pressure off the defence ( and us ) by just striding out and plucking it safely out of the air. There's nothing worse ( imo) than watching the dam ball bounce about all over the six yard box hoping that a defender will be the first to fling himself at it which is what happens regularly with purely agile stoppers that root themselves to the line.........


I think folk see great saves and see great keepers which is fair enough but I believe the better keeper is the one that drops a howler now and again but the other work (commanding their area) that they put in stops much of the need for worldies in the first place.. I reckon a lot of what he does goes completely unnoticed but helps cement the defence big time, which is why he'll always get my vote.Rudds a good keeper at this level but he aint my cup of tea if I had to make a choice between him and Maxwell.
 
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