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Grayson, Grayson ...

Aitch said:
Grayson can only get credit for what he did here.
However his point that he isnt surprised how well we are doing is a bit damning. They could have done it last year if he'd been a bit more adventurous in his tactics, and let the shackles off the players.
Also he shouldnt be taking any credit for the defence as Earl and Davies weren't in his plans, and Fisher wasn't here. That's 3 out of the current back 4!
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Your defence point is a very good one.


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IanBogie9 said:
Your defence point is a very good one.


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I dunno, Earl was given a professional deal before Grayson left and he clearly fancied Davies long term as well as he'd extended his contract too. Nothing to suggest either weren't in his longer term plans.
 
JK said:
Or some may feel that he thought they had achieved as much as they could, irritated by the fact he dumped them in quick sharp fashion.Whilst I’m sure they will have respect for Grayson I’m in absolutely no doubt they will have extra fire in the belly on Saturday.

To quote Simon last year “we don’t have the players to go away and win games 3-0 etc
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He did seem to lack a certain belief and trust in the team last year . Neil is showing that we are plenty good enough to get on the front foot and go for it home and away against any team in this division .
I don't for one second think SG would have made the attacking subs that Neil did at Hull in order to try to win the game . Instead Spurr would have come on as a fifth defender and Browne would have been told to sit in beside Welsh as we tried to hang on for a point .
 
simo said:
I dunno, Earl was given a professional deal before Grayson left and he clearly fancied Davies long term as well as he'd extended his contract too. Nothing to suggest either weren't in his longer term plans.
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Exactly, in fact I'd say the reason Davies is doing so well now is that he has had some decent loan spells and went somewhere last season where he could play regularly at CB. Grayson also kept giving him new deals when I'm sure many on here were happy for him to leave.

And lets not get carried away, if Cunningham was fit then Earl wouldn't be in the side at all. And that's nothing against the lad, he's been exceptional.
 
Tino said:
Exactly, in fact I'd say the reason Davies is doing so well now is that he has had some decent loan spells and went somewhere last season where he could play regularly at CB. Grayson also kept giving him new deals when I'm sure many on here were happy for him to leave.

And lets not get carried away, if Cunningham was fit then Earl wouldn't be in the side at all. And that's nothing against the lad, he's been exceptional.
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That's bullshit I'm afraid pal.

Grayson would never, in a million years, have played either Ben Davies or Josh Earl this season. He barely played Spurr last term who has started the season very well also. We would most likely have seen an ultra defensive system continue with the likes of O'Connor and Boyle playing over our own young players.

And for all his good signings, there have been some crap ones. Let's not get all rose tinted about his time here. He did well for us and jumped ship as soon as he got an offer for more money.

To be honest, I think he was coasting along here the last season. He knew that he could finish anywhere from about 18th upwards and be more than safe in a job. He's called it an 'easy' job recently in the press.
 
Aqueous said:
That's bullshit I'm afraid pal.

Grayson would never, in a million years, have played either Ben Davies or Josh Earl this season. He barely played Spurr last term who has started the season very well also. We would most likely have seen an ultra defensive system continue with the likes of O'Connor and Boyle playing over our own young players.

And for all his good signings, there have been some crap ones. Let's not get all rose tinted about his time here. He did well for us and jumped ship as soon as he got an offer for more money.

To be honest, I think he was coasting along here the last season. He knew that he could finish anywhere from about 18th upwards and be more than safe in a job. He's called it an 'easy' job recently in the press.
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He deserves a lot of credit for what he did at North End but no way in a million years would he have got 19 points from these 10 games with the players available. My guess is we'd have got 10 or less with the defence we've had to play and not being so attack minded as Alex.

Don't blame him for trying to take credit here but I bet he's more shocked than any of us at how well we've started. And no way did he think he'd be in a relegation battle with Sunderland - not a chance he'd have taken the job if he thought this was going to be the case because he knows the board won't accept it. I think he thought with the players at his disposal eg McCready they'd be walking this division.
 
Aqueous said:
That's bullshit I'm afraid pal.

Grayson would never, in a million years, have played either Ben Davies or Josh Earl this season. He barely played Spurr last term who has started the season very well also. We would most likely have seen an ultra defensive system continue with the likes of O'Connor and Boyle playing over our own young players.

And for all his good signings, there have been some crap ones. Let's not get all rose tinted about his time here. He did well for us and jumped ship as soon as he got an offer for more money.

To be honest, I think he was coasting along here the last season. He knew that he could finish anywhere from about 18th upwards and be more than safe in a job. He's called it an 'easy' job recently in the press.
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Bang on the money.
 
Grayson wanted to re-sign Browning and Baptiste for us, so I’m pretty sure if he’d had his way and was still here, Ben Davies would not be starting games.

We can only speculate at what he would’ve done after Cunningham’s injury, but I suspect he would’ve played Spurr.

I wouldn’t get overly critical but that’s just his style. At the back he likes known, experienced quantities who he’s worked with and won’t bring through players in that area of the pitch.
 
Grayson did a good job for us but had started to fade/coast last season. I think he got a bit lucky with the impact McGeady had, especially at home.

As for this seasons team, he deserves a bit of credit, that's about it.

A lot of players we have were signed by Ridsdale some of them not really wanted by Grayson if rumours are correct.

More than anything, it is the way Neil has set them up and the way he talks them up and has instilled a huge amount of confidence in them. You can see they believe they can beat anyone. Not a cat in hells chance would we have won that game on Tuesday night with Grayson in charge, he'd have tried to contain them with a gritty, typical 'away' performance and we'd have more than likely lost the game. Under Neil, we are going away and playing like we're the home side. We will come unstuck at some point, we know that, but nobody wins promotion from this league without losing a few games here and there.
 
I kind of agree with some suggestions that Grayson was starting to get a bit too comfortable in the job. Our end to the season was a bit half-arsed. Perhaps he had recognised it himself and decided to move on for a bigger challenge, as well as the bigger pay packet.

I can understand why he moved on. Right now it looks like a bad decision but I think he'll have a bit more time than people think to turn it around at Sunderland.
 
Simon Grayson will be getting applauded by me on Saturday prior to kick off as an appreciation for what he achieved during his 4 years at Deepdale on a shoestring budget,To take over a squad near the foot of League 1 & turn them into a top half of the table championship side packed with exciting young talent is no mean feat.Only complete morons like Marsbars,who has had an anti-Grayson agenda from day 1 would deny that he did a bloody good job on limited resources.
Let's also not overlook the fact that he also got Leeds,Huddersfield & the Lashers promoted; so he's not exactly the clueless idiot that some would like us to think.
Like all managers he had his flaws - for example he seemed too concerned about the opposition in my view & this led to an ultra-cautious approach to many games,where we should have tried to impose ourselves on the opposition.Also he signed Liam Grimshaw - surely he can never have seen him play!
Apart from that we had a marvellous 4 years under Larry & for that I thank him.
However we now have Alex Neil in charge & I have to say he looks as though he can take us to the next level quicker than Larry had planned.So come kick-off let's consign Larry to PNE's glorious histort & get on with backing Alex & the boys to get 3 more points in the promotion chase.
Booing or 'Sacked in the morning' chants would show a complete lack of class & we are much better than that.
 
Let's also hope that Alex Neil doesn't go and do a Simo and try to PROVE it is he who is creating the success and not Grayson's legacy by chopping and changing like Simo did.

Keep doing what you are doing A.N. it's working.
 
Aqueous said:
That's bullshit I'm afraid pal.

Grayson would never, in a million years, have played either Ben Davies or Josh Earl this season. He barely played Spurr last term who has started the season very well also. We would most likely have seen an ultra defensive system continue with the likes of O'Connor and Boyle playing over our own young players.

And for all his good signings, there have been some crap ones. Let's not get all rose tinted about his time here. He did well for us and jumped ship as soon as he got an offer for more money.

To be honest, I think he was coasting along here the last season. He knew that he could finish anywhere from about 18th upwards and be more than safe in a job. He's called it an 'easy' job recently in the press.
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There's actually nothing in my post which is bullshit, especially considering I never once said that Grayson would have played the players mentioned which I can only assume you think I did.

About Ben Davies we don't know that and have no way of knowing of how he would have been used but he was clearly rated within the club.

For Earl I agree I doubt Grayson would have played him.
 
How many times does a manager come into a club that is brimming with confidence, relatively well-organised contractually, and ultimately requiring little or no squad tinkering? Alex Neil must feel like he's woken up on Christmas day and got a bike, an Adidas Tango World Cup 1982 football, and a Scalextrix.
For this I expect to see, in an unprecedented incident, Alex Neil down on his knees on Saturday, draining Simon Grayson's cojonas, with Deepdale Duck holding Simon's shirt up while he does so.
 
paolo poggi said:
I'm not sure we should have any sympathy whatsoever for Sunderland. They usually turn things around and will probably come back strongly sooner or later, and despite their fans impatience - particularly those that believe its a massive club - Grayson is probably their best bet at this moment, of shoring up the team spirit and then their performances.

North End's players truly need to let Grayson understand - not that he made a mistake in leaving, but to show him the liberation and improvement they have experienced since he departed. This can be achieved by absolutely annihilating Sunderland on Saturday afternoon.

For what its worth, Sunderland fans would be sensible to simply get behind Grayson. But they don't seem the types, somehow. If things go tits up early in the match for Sunderland, I can imagine their fans getting quite nasty towards their players and manager. North End fans won't needed to stick in the boot.
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Do you not remember when we were absolutely walloping them one year before half time I think the score was 3-0 or 4-0 and most of their fans left before half time and went and trashed the sumners and garrison pub.
 
boltons1 said:
Do you not remember when we were absolutely walloping them one year before half time I think the score was 3-0 or 4-0 and most of their fans left before half time and went and trashed the sumners and garrison pub.
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