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Heartless performance

Heartless performance

chuckie100pnefc said:
As a TV viewer/fan I think PNE played their part in a good game of football. With some better finishing we should have been leading at half time and it would or could have been a totally different story. Finishing that is the key, territory and possession don’t win games on their own. I have to use a name but purely as illustration if Potts was playing regularly and confident I am sure he would have side footed under the keeper rather than trying the “dink to impress” from an improbable position, but in the first half his performance and that of the team deserved that goal.
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My edit time has expired, heartless performance no I don’t think you can call it that, there were certainly some good bits just not enough.
 
jamesOB said:
There was 2 kids in that Liverpool starting squad. I’m all for criticism but let’s not just make things up.

Gomez and Matip established Premier League defenders, Tsimikas would be starting LB at most Premier League clubs, Origi, Minimino and Oxlade Chamberlain all established Premier League players, Curtis Jones plays week in week out. Reserve team yes, but not a team full of kids
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Really? Oh well. I’m wrong. While klopp brings on number squad number 84,80, 70 etc I’ll write off yet another chance for our “full strength” team at home to beat a “big scalp” and progress further in one of the only cups we have a chance in.
 
Cliff Richard said:
Really? Oh well. I’m wrong. While klopp brings on number squad number 84,80, 70 etc I’ll write off yet another chance for our “full strength” team at home to beat a “big scalp” and progress further in one of the only cups we have a chance in.
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2 of those came on in the 91st minute, and the other was replacing another youngster. Yeah, a full strength team could’ve probably beaten that squad, but it’s not really an embarrassment that that Liverpool team has beaten us. It wasn’t short of quality players
 
Silly thread title by the OP. Heartless performance, really?

We were set up well to soak up the pressure & counter. The shape was incredibly disciplined and everyone had a part to play & for the most part it worked. The difference was the finishing.

If you think that was heartless you need to get yourself checked out by a medical professional quick time.
 
jamesOB said:
There was 2 kids in that Liverpool starting squad. I’m all for criticism but let’s not just make things up.

Gomez and Matip established Premier League defenders, Tsimikas would be starting LB at most Premier League clubs, Origi, Minimino and Oxlade Chamberlain all established Premier League players, Curtis Jones plays week in week out. Reserve team yes, but not a team full of kids
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there reserves,players we dream of,well said james.
 
pnenycx said:
Can understand Klopp playing a 2nd string but we should have started with our best 11 and we would have won.
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This all day long.

Keeping Riis on the bench was madness. For me, he’d have scored at least one of those two chances first half.

Instead, Frankie played the second string and as soon as they scored it was game over.

Just like watching an Alex Neil side in the second half, but (incredibly) even more boring.
 
Cliff Richard said:
We are what we are. A bunch of ill fitting league one talented but misguided players. That played kids. Forget the name “Liverpool” it was kids. Good kids but kids. Our team from 2001-2004 would have destroyed that opposition . Too soft too backward passing. Boring. That’s the way it is. It will change one way or another and fans will stick with the team. But by equal measure fans can say we want more because what we have now is pretty rubbish
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I'd agree with this. Think last night was a missed opportunity against a very under strength and disjointed Liverpool side. Although I wouldn't say the performance was 'heartless' as the OP suggests.
 
What a pathetic thread title, we were set up to counter attack and did a great job, especially in the first half, bit more clinical in front of goal and we could easily been 2 up, Liverpool had most of the possession in first half but don’t think Rudd had a save to make, and as for the changes, Saturday’s match is more important, get off the players & managers back and show a bit of support…. Numpty.
 
Shows how far we’ve fallen that some think that was a great performance, it was just much better than Saturday which wasn’t hard.

We still lack a cohesive attacking game plan and struggle to put 4 passes together. They played a high-ish line and both our opportunities came over the top, it’s all Frankies got, but everyone in the championship has already figured that out. Way out of his depth.
 
jamesOB said:
Excuse me? We are talking about the same Ainsworth and Wycombe here? On what planet would you consider route 1 long ball football attractive?

I can understand a lot of the reasons and calls for Ainsworth, but saying he plays attractive football is not one of them
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They passed us off the park last time we played them.
 
It was a non occasion like a passionless pre season friendly. Can’t believe we didn’t go for it with our better players. That would have given them confidence for Saturday. Last night just built pressure for Saturday.
 
From91 said:
Shows how far we’ve fallen that some think that was a great performance, it was just much better than Saturday which wasn’t hard.

We still lack a cohesive attacking game plan and struggle to put 4 passes together. They played a high-ish line and both our opportunities came over the top, it’s all Frankies got, but everyone in the championship has already figured that out. Way out of his depth.
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Yeah, it wasn't heartless from the players. But it certainly wasn't great either. Liverpool were fairly uninspiring in the way they approached the game which helped us settle.

They made 400+ more passes than us. But, I don't think any Liverpool fan or neutral would have enjoyed their ultra safe, tidy passing. It's why their fans were silent for much of the game. They expected much more.

But for Liverpool it was just an exercise in qualifying for the next round, rather than a proper cup tie. So, by sitting in defensively we easily frustrated them.

Liverpool only made two tackles all night which demonstrates their work ethic and how little we offered offensively - especially second half.

It's a shame our starting xi was a wee bit weak, and we didn't have a wee bit more belief offensively. Cos they were certainly beatable.

But, much like every game under Frankie our attacks generally consisted of no more than 2 or 3 passes. Very direct and very much focussed on dinking hopeful balls in behind.

Week in, week out this tactical approach is delivering very similar results in front of goal. We've failed to score in 5 league games. We've only scored more than one goal in 4 league games. .

Since he took the job last season 19 outta the 32 points we've achieved were when the opposition failed to score. I.E. or in other words when Iverson saved our ass.

The over reliance on five at the back and keeping things tight with so called wingbacks who don't leave their own half, and hoping opponents have an off day will catch up with us, if it hasn't already.

Our second half strategy and substitutes are offering very, very little. We've only scored two league goals after the 61st minute of games.

I've not checked but would wager no other championship side has scored fewer goals in the last third of games than us.
 
Dreyfuss said:
Yeah, it wasn't heartless from the players. But it certainly wasn't great either. Liverpool were fairly uninspiring in the way they approached the game which helped us settle.

They made 400+ more passes than us. But, I don't think any Liverpool fan or neutral would have enjoyed their ultra safe, tidy passing. It's why their fans were silent for much of the game. They expected much more.

But for Liverpool it was just an exercise in qualifying for the next round, rather than a proper cup tie. So, by sitting in defensively we easily frustrated them.

Liverpool only made two tackles all night which demonstrates their work ethic and how little we offered offensively - especially second half.

It's a shame our starting xi was a wee bit weak, and we didn't have a wee bit more belief offensively. Cos they were certainly beatable.

But, much like every game under Frankie our attacks generally consisted of no more than 2 or 3 passes. Very direct and very much focussed on dinking hopeful balls in behind.

Week in, week out this tactical approach is delivering very similar results in front of goal. We've failed to score in 5 league games. We've only scored more than one goal in 4 league games. .

Since he took the job last season 19 outta the 32 points we've achieved were when the opposition failed to score. I.E. or in other words when Iverson saved our ass.

The over reliance on five at the back and keeping things tight with so called wingbacks who don't leave their own half, and hoping opponents have an off day will catch up with us, if it hasn't already.

Our second half strategy and substitutes are offering very, very little. We've only scored two league goals after the 61st minute of games.

I've not checked but would wager no other championship side has scored fewer goals in the last third of games than us.
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Starting to quite like your posts Dreyfuss, they don’t come across as reactive or emotional and always have the stats to back up the argument
 
Dreyfuss said:
I've not checked but would wager no other championship side has scored fewer goals in the last third of games than us.
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Not quite...

It's one from minute 75 onwards. 4 goals from minute 60 onwards. We've conceded 6 in that time period.

Actually let's do the full list. Goals in the final 30 minutes.

QPR - 13
Fulham - 11
Coventry - 12
Sheff Utd - 10
Millwall - 9
Luton - 9
Forest - 8
WBA - 8
Swansea - 8
Blackburn - 8
Boro - 8
Huddersfield - 8
Reading - 8
Lashers - 7
Cardiff - 7
Hull - 7
P'boro - 6
Bournemouth - 6
B'ham - 5
Preston - 4
Stoke - 4
Bristol City - 4
Barnsley - 3
Derby - 2

Considering the runaway leaders are only on 6 and near the bottom Sheff Utd are on 10th I'm not sure what he's saying. In comparison Bournemouth have 10 goals in the first 15 minutes of both halves.
 
It was far from heartless but the reality is both sides looked poor. As others have said, it was very much like a pre-season friendly and was a pretty dire contest. Liverpool were ponderous in possession, looked defensively weak and their reserves did little to suggest they should be in Klopps plans.

Our basic football ability is very low. We cannot pass a ball to feet from 5 yards without it being slightly misplaced and leading to a move breaking down. McCann looked good and Sepp pretty commanding but beyond that, nothing of note. Lindsay's awareness and reaction time is astonishing, he is a striker's dream to play against as you just know if you attack any ball into the box you can nip in front of him.

Far too much dross in our squad but that won't change any time soon.
 
Tino said:
Not quite...

It's one from minute 75 onwards. 4 goals from minute 60 onwards. We've conceded 6 in that time period.

Actually let's do the full list. Goals in the final 30 minutes.

QPR - 13
Fulham - 11
Coventry - 12
Sheff Utd - 10
Millwall - 9
Luton - 9
Forest - 8
WBA - 8
Swansea - 8
Blackburn - 8
Boro - 8
Huddersfield - 8
Reading - 8
Lashers - 7
Cardiff - 7
Hull - 7
P'boro - 6
Bournemouth - 6
B'ham - 5
Preston - 4
Stoke - 4
Bristol City - 4
Barnsley - 3
Derby - 2

Considering the runaway leaders are only on 6 and near the bottom Sheff Utd are on 10th I'm not sure what he's saying. In comparison Bournemouth have 10 goals in the first 15 minutes of both halves.
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There's so few, we can list them in full - a couple just scrape under the wire:

1. 61 minutes: Johnson penalty in 2-1 defeat at Reading.
2. 90 minutes: Riis equaliser at Sheff Utd.
3. 61 minutes: Bauer equaliser v Coventry.
4. 69 minutes: Riis winner in same game.

Most games, you can safely leave on 60 minutes and miss none of our goals - and this is in a season when we haven't been in a winning position very often by then.
 
Tino said:
Not quite...

It's one from minute 75 onwards. 4 goals from minute 60 onwards. We've conceded 6 in that time period.

Actually let's do the full list. Goals in the final 30 minutes.

QPR - 13
Fulham - 11
Coventry - 12
Sheff Utd - 10
Millwall - 9
Luton - 9
Forest - 8
WBA - 8
Swansea - 8
Blackburn - 8
Boro - 8
Huddersfield - 8
Reading - 8
Lashers - 7
Cardiff - 7
Hull - 7
P'boro - 6
Bournemouth - 6
B'ham - 5
Preston - 4
Stoke - 4
Bristol City - 4
Barnsley - 3
Derby - 2

Considering the runaway leaders are only on 6 and near the bottom Sheff Utd are on 10th I'm not sure what he's saying. In comparison Bournemouth have 10 goals in the first 15 minutes of both halves.
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In my initial post I did say "after the first 61st" minutes of games. Our record of two goals in that specific period is only matched by Derby. No team has scored less in minutes 61 to 90+.

If you take the second half as a whole we have scored five league goals after 45 mins. Only Derby and Barnsley have scored less.

I reference these stats because I think one big issue with Frankie is his total inability to effect games with substitutes and tactical changes.
 
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