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Heckingbottom - Honeymoon Over?

Heckingbottom - Honeymoon Over?

He obviously didn't recognise that the Bride's father could lie and sneer all at the same time ... Yorkshire folk don't usually get taken in so easily nor do they normally suffer fools gladly.

I suspect the next transfer window and the support he gets will be make or break for him. Fail to back him properly and he could well walk. He may be fully justified to sue the Riddler for misrepresentation and lying.
 
jamesmckevitt said:
When did the honeymoon start?
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The Luton game I think.

Which funnily enough was very much a 5-at-the-back, chance-free home game, which we won with the only real chance, set up by the only real bit of skill, from Hayden, who was being played on the left.

After some wild experimentation with back-4s and different in/out of possession setups, which only seemed to confuse the players, we've come full circle back to 5-at-the-back and chance-free games, and the honeymoon is over.
 
SoccerHQ said:
I actually thought Whatmough was alright last night. He's not an amazing CB by any means but he cut out most throughballs and matched Cannon's runs for most of the game.

I thought the second half could've gone to a back 4 (Hughes LB and KHH RB given Stoke had so little quality when they passed the halfway line).

Also starting all of Whiteman-Ledson-McCann at home to Derby was a terrible call.

I thought the first six weeks were reasonably promising but it seems those four days of throwing away the 3-0 lead at Plymouth and then not even putting out a competitive team v Arsenal has meant huge doses of negativity have inflicted the team once again and PH is not helping with his selections really.

He will have to go defensive v West Brom as they have the quality in final third to expose the backline's deficiencies.
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do you not think the terrible weather on saturday made his mind up for midfield going for 3 battlers in a mud bath rather than ball players on a possible swamp? Mads wasnt fit to start, Duane might have drowned in possible puddles.....

ok by half time he realised our pitch drains well so could leave Ledo out/. 🤔
 
keasden said:
As per the thread title, is the honeymoon period over for our new manager? It certainly is as far as I'm concerned.

His team selections now leave us all baffled and bewildered.

We set up far too defensively against poor teams at home.

We throw away leads of 2 and 3 goals.

We are conceding 3 goals with shocking regularity.

We threw the towel in against Arsenal with a shocking line-up despite a guaranteed full house and sky tv in attendance.

We keep playing Whiteman who is horrendously out of form.

We are playing our best player in KKH out of position to cover the predictable injury to Brady.

The managers only signing so far looks like a complete dud.

Hecky is starting to sound like his predecessor in his post match interviews.

Overall, nothing has improved since Lowe left. Yes we have had some good performances ie Burnley away and Sunderland at home but we are not picking up many points and are definitely in a relegation battle.

One of the most concerning aspects for me was a comment by a Sheff Utd fan I saw recently which said Heckingbottom was a nice bloke but his football was far too backwards and sideways and he was a chairmans dream as he was a complete YES man. Have we landed ourselves with Lowe II? Its just like the Riddler to get another yes man on board to give him a comfy life.
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Rather harsh .
 
Deepdale89 said:
I do think we should have gone for the kill in the last 20 minutes of the derby and Stoke games. Could we not have brought on Bowler and Okles to run at them?

There are games we need to try and win, because there are others we simply won't.
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Not sure what the point or purpose of Bowler Stewart and Okles being on the bench.We we’re told that Bowler was on loan with a view to a permanent signing.How is that going to happen if he never plays.
 
Garden Gnome said:
If M UTD will take years to improve, according to their new manager. Don't expect PH to turn things round at PNE in 3 months.
Be realistic please people!
He will get things wrong and it will not all be an upwards curve as PH himself said when first appointed. Two years is a reasonable first step. A lot will depend on those upstairs and FFP rules [ I know, we can all moan about that too.]
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And how many times have we heard that? Until something happens up above we are on roundabout with no way of getting off.
 
Joanpne said:
To be fair the Brady and Lindsay injuries have caused problems for the Manager because whoever replaces them causes massive disruption to choices for team selection and their ability to play elsewhere within the team. We simply do not have enough players to cover for injuries it’s as simple as that. We can’t even play our best player (KKH) in his rightful position for goodness sake because the squad is so unbalanced before you even start with poor (in places) it’s threadbare and make do like everything else at the club.
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This sums up the problem with the state of the squad .
There isn’t another team in the division which would miss Lindsay or Brady , they would be considered squad fillers at best anywhere else . Yet here their absence actually weakens the team - frightening .
As for the wingbacks , like others have said we’d be better off playing KKH on the right in his proper position where he can be genuinely effective and shoving a different square peg on the left
 
05simpsonm said:
And how many times have we heard that? Until something happens up above we are on roundabout with no way of getting off.
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Although we have heard about promises for a better future before..many times in my 50+ year as an active supporter...I do feel that with PH things are different.
Not since Moyes was here have I really believed we have a football manager who knows what he is doing and although points wise we are worse of than this time last season I see an approach that is many 100s of times better. There have been blips. Mistakes have been made yes, but I am ever the optimist and I feel we are oh, so close to a breakthrough in results, confidence and a positive move up the table.
 
I suppose we are stuck with PH and co until we are either relegated or given transfer funds to change our sterile offerings, there is little or no passion, we have a captain who always gets a game and is utterly shite sitting on his lucrative contract, we are wedded to 5 at the back with at least 2 DCM's, Stewart will be given no time while the other 3 are all fluff and bluster, Best who is/was an England U19 would be better getting out of our club for his own development, the goalkeeping department is going backwards at an alarming rate yet PH takes no responsibility (sounds like Lowey).
PH was drummed out of Hibs where his "brand" of footy was shocking, playing his favs and seldom if ever changing the shape of the team, I do hope he turns it round but in 18 games only winning 4 his % is shocking.
 
So now Heckingbottom should go? Who do you think should replace him then? We aren’t the dream job that some people seem to think we are. I seem to remember who were the favourites to get the job before PH was appointed. David Healy and Brian Barry-Murphy!

Lowe had to leave because he had lost the support of the fanbase, many of the players and seemingly the owner. If it hadn’t been for the imbecile who pulls all of the strings at Deepdale, a replacement manager would have had all of the summer break to bring in his own team replacements.

We can continue to shuffle the deckchairs on the Titanic by sacking more managers but most sensible supporters know precisely where this sense of apathy is emanating from. It is the boardroom and its mouthpiece.

Reading the latest comments from Heckingbottom, he expects to be financially backed in January and during this coming summer’s break. Personally, I think he’s pissing in to the wind unless Ridsdale goes elsewhere to spread his toxicity and the Hemmings family show some direction and leadership for OUR football club.
 
NorthEndNerd said:
Hoping with McCann, Brady, Osmijic and Frokjaer all available soon we might see better results.

But for the love of god Hecky please start KKH in the right position and give Okkells or someone a run at LWB.
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If Okells is getting the runaround at LWB in training though by the likes of Potts then that maybe why the manger doesn’t trust him in that position. Has he not said a few times that he is a winger not a wing back so he has seen enough of him to think he isn’t good enough for that position
 
I have mixed feelings about Heckingbottom.

It couldn't have been easy to come in, was it two games into the season and into a team completely lacking in confidence, having not won a league game in 7 after the Lowe debacle.

Let's be honest, a threadbare ageing humdrum and disjointed squad of players and only able to play one way. No preseason and no say or money to spend on recruitment. Basically go and polish a turd.😂

Saying all that, IMO some of his selections and formations are baffling and we seem to have a very soft underbelly and concede shit loads of goals on a regular basis. Did he sign Bowler? Total shite so far.

Looking at his past record, he's only success was at Sheffield United but granted he was excellent there but had nightmares at Leeds and more recently at Hibs.

I do quite like the way he comes across and you can see small changes he made early doors in the way we play, more aggression and higher press which was good to see.

I'd like to pass full judgement on him after a couple of transfer windows and a pre season. Fingers crossed that will be in the Championship but l reckon we'll end up close to the trap door if we don't spend some cash in January and freshen things up.

COYW!
 
The start was solid but then included a 3-0 win over Watford, a 3-0 up over Plymouth (away) and then a 2-0 lead over Norwich so there was decent chances created and taken in that period. Easy to see Keane and Osmajic absences impacted but I don't think either were around for Plymouth and Norwich?

Something gone wrong recently and now just scoring a goal feels like it will take a massive effort. When you're playing likes of Derby and Stoke it's concerning.
 
I've seen four games this season [in Aus). In each one Woodman got more passes from team-mates than did any other of the players..
Since Woodman has not scored I guess why there only 3 wins!
I dislike "possession" football. but I'm a dinosaur having seen my first games at Deepdale watching Stanley Mathews in the mid nineteen forties.
 
superseed said:
I have mixed feelings about Heckingbottom.

It couldn't have been easy to come in, was it two games into the season and into a team completely lacking in confidence, having not won a league game in 7 after the Lowe debacle.

Let's be honest, a threadbare ageing humdrum and disjointed squad of players and only able to play one way. No preseason and no say or money to spend on recruitment. Basically go and polish a turd.😂

Saying all that, IMO some of his selections and formations are baffling and we seem to have a very soft underbelly and concede shit loads of goals on a regular basis. Did he sign Bowler? Total shite so far.

Looking at his past record, he's only success was at Sheffield United but granted he was excellent there but had nightmares at Leeds and more recently at Hibs.

I do quite like the way he comes across and you can see small changes he made early doors in the way we play, more aggression and higher press which was good to see.

I'd like to pass full judgement on him after a couple of transfer windows and a pre season. Fingers crossed that will be in the Championship but l reckon we'll end up close to the trap door if we don't spend some cash in January and freshen things up.

COYW!
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I would be interested to know How you know Bowler is a load of shite so far when he has not started a game.
 
We are what we are a mid table championship side at best.It will remain so until we either get relegated of the Hemmings sell up and PR fucks off.
 
Vinylman said:
I would be interested to know How you know Bowler is a load of shite so far when he has not started a game.
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I may be mistaken but l thought he had started in a couple of games...and he was shite and was shite in his sub appearances too.

Not doubting he's got talent but for whatever reason, hasn't shown any so far...all just in my opinion.
 
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