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Strongbow said:
And Makienok is ? ...... answers on a postcard folks , seen 'milk turn' quicker.
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miff said:
Bambi on ice
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ChrisR said:
And Beckford is ... a shiftless piss taking waster?
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They weren't good when they came on but IMHO it wasn't the correct substitution. Johnson would've been a better bet giving us more energy in CM and another man in there to give us a bit more of a platform to create things.

Instead we swapped 2 strikers for 2 strikers and, as such, the game continued to be a scrappy, turgid affair with lots of long balls and hardly any chances created.

Beckford was absolutely infuriating though it has to be said. He looks so half-arsed at times.
 
kbd_pne said:
Beckford was absolutely infuriating though it has to be said. He looks so half-arsed at times.
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Maybe because he gave up giving a shit at full time against Swindon town, 24th may 2015.
In hindsight we shouldn't have offered him a contract, what a masterstroke that would've been. Wouldn't have had to put up with his lack of contribution and disruption for the past two years would we.

UTWs
 
He's got 10 in 35 this season. Cresswells best year was 17(46), Nugent 15 (44), Mellor 10 (33), Parkin 11 (39) Hume 12 (31). So someone with a strike rate akin to some of our better forwards at this level is apparently a waste of space and total rubbish? Sure he's wasteful and games like yesterday were not impressive, but some of the flak he comes in for on here is ridiculous.
 
cheshirewhite said:
He's got 10 in 35 this season. Cresswells best year was 17(46), Nugent 15 (44), Mellor 10 (33), Parkin 11 (39) Hume 12 (31). So someone with a strike rate akin to some of our better forwards at this level is apparently a waste of space and total rubbish? Sure he's wasteful and games like yesterday were not impressive, but some of the flak he comes in for on here is ridiculous.
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His first full season at this level consistently in the team as well.
 
Hugill's return has been decent this season but I think some fans frustration is that if a striker with at least a tiny bit of composure had been up there they may well be on 20 goals by now with the service Hugill has been given so far this season.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
Hugill's return has been decent this season but I think some fans frustration is that if a striker with at least a tiny bit of composure had been up there they may well be on 20 goals by now with the service Hugill has been given so far this season.
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"If a striker with at least a tiny bit of composure had been up there they may well be on 20 goals by now with the service Hugill has been given so far this season"

I'd argue Hugill gets into positions to create the chances so the premise of the statement is incorrect.
 
pnenycx said:
"If a striker with at least a tiny bit of composure had been up there they may well be on 20 goals by now with the service Hugill has been given so far this season"

I'd argue Hugill gets into positions to create the chances so the premise of the statement is incorrect.
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Are you saying it would be impossible for us to improve on Hugill, no matter who we signed to replace him?
 
pnenycx said:
"If a striker with at least a tiny bit of composure had been up there they may well be on 20 goals by now with the service Hugill has been given so far this season"

I'd argue Hugill gets into positions to create the chances so the premise of the statement is incorrect.
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It's McGeady, Horgan, Robinson and co. who create the chances and the striker, Hugill, who gets on the end of their service, which has been excellent this season.

Other strikers with even just an ounce of composure could get into those positions too and score easy chances such as one on ones. Saw a tweet on Saturday which said if Hugill has time to think we're goosed, which sums it up really.

As I said his return has been decent but he could've had double with the amount he's missed. He's likeable but I don't think we'll ever be a top 6 side with him leading the line because he isn't clinical enough.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
It's McGeady, Horgan, Robinson and co. who create the chances and the striker, Hugill, who gets on the end of their service, which has been excellent this season.

Other strikers with even just an ounce of composure could get into those positions too and score easy chances such as one on ones. Saw a tweet on Saturday which said if Hugill has time to think we're goosed, which sums it up really.

As I said his return has been decent but he could've had double with the amount he's missed. He's likeable but I don't think we'll ever be a top 6 side with him leading the line because he isn't clinical enough.
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How does he compare to other strikers in the division in terms of not taking his chances?

Just wondering for balance.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
How does he compare to other strikers in the division in terms of not taking his chances?

Just wondering for balance.
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I can't vouch for other clubs really because it's PNE I watch week in week out, although I do understand your point. Obviously he won't be the only forward that misses chances.

All I know is that having seen plenty of JH this season, he could've, and probably should've, have many more goals if it weren't for a very obvious lack of composure. He seems to score the harder chances like Villa when he has to make a quick decision to hit it rather than time to think.
 
sedgwick__7 said:
I can't vouch for other clubs really because it's PNE I watch week in week out, although I do understand your point. Obviously he won't be the only forward that misses chances.

All I know is that having seen plenty of JH this season, he could've, and probably should've, have many more goals if it weren't for a very obvious lack of composure. He seems to score the harder chances like Villa when he has to make a quick decision to hit it rather than time to think.
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Completely agree, I just think people give JH the rough end of the stick because he is the one who they see week in and week out miss chances rather than other strikers at other clubs.

If that is the only part of Hugills game we are complaining about then I think we have a good prospect on our hands because his composure in front of goal could become better the more experience he gets.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
How does he compare to other strikers in the division in terms of not taking his chances?

Just wondering for balance.
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On the BBC sport scorers site, when he was still on the top scorers chart, I believe his number of shots on target out of total shots was around 40-45% in comparison to the average of about 60%. He has also had about the average number of shots. This can only point to the fact that he isn't quite as good a finisher as most other clubs strikers, but this shouldn't be news to anyone - I'm one of his biggest advocates for him being in the side, but I have to concede that his finishing still has much room for improvement.

I think Jordan is a fantastic young player, and his progression from when we first signed him from Port Vale, to being Hartlepool's hero, to being a handy option off the bench to now our most effective striker is remarkable and he's only going to get better. His all-round game has come on leaps and bounds and the rough diamond is slowly becoming the finished article despite the disappointing penalty on Saturday. Have to remember that even Ronaldo and Messi miss penalties!
 
Ron Burgundy said:
How does he compare to other strikers in the division in terms of not taking his chances?

Just wondering for balance.
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When he was on this list the other week (he isn't on it now for some reason), he had the second worst shots-on-target percentage, at 41%: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers

Of course, that won't include powder-puff efforts that were on-target, such as his two on Saturday, but it's an illustration of what other strikers are capable of at this level.

sedgwick__7 said:
It's McGeady, Horgan, Robinson and co. who create the chances and the striker, Hugill, who gets on the end of their service, which has been excellent this season.

Other strikers with even just an ounce of composure could get into those positions too and score easy chances such as one on ones. Saw a tweet on Saturday which said if Hugill has time to think we're goosed, which sums it up really.

As I said his return has been decent but he could've had double with the amount he's missed. He's likeable but I don't think we'll ever be a top 6 side with him leading the line because he isn't clinical enough.
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This is the way I see it too.
 
Beckford and Makienok are simply not good enough.


Next season...

Hugill
Robinson
May
New Striker (not a gamble like Doyle either, has to be a proper striker who CAN score at this level)
 
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