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Is Lowe evolving?

Is Lowe evolving?

Rotherham, Hull, Millwall to name a few are games we should have won this season but did not cos RL sets up with 5 at the back and 2 cdm which means we have 3 attack minded players to go get a goal…and it’s awful to watch cos you can see exactly wot is going to happen you don’t have to be a genius to figure it out but Lowe just can’t see it and continues with the same crap week in week out.
 
norky84 said:
How you can say from those stats that we deserved to win the games vs Plymouth and Birmingham is baffling even from you.

Mentioning Man City's xG isn't the best example given they've been the most successful side in the country in recent years, and been top of the xG charts.

xG isn't everything, and doesn't tell a full story. But when you add in shots, keeper saves, blocked shots, corners, dangerous attacks, then it tells more of a story. Certainly more of a story than highlights show, especially if highlights from club packages.
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I didn’t say deserved to win I say as good as we got, don’t twist my words to suite the narrative.

It was just showing how it doesn’t always paint the full picture, I’m aware our creativity has been poor this season but I think that’s down to Lowe keeping us solid to protect a poor back line that needs upgrading sooner rather than later whilst also dealing with getting the likes of Osmijic, Millar, Holmes, Keane and Mads to gel with the rest of the squad.

Add to that he also doesn’t have good options at LCB and LWB.

Last point is neither here nor there, if you want to read a spreadsheet rather than actually watch the game of football then be my guest but that just seems a bit stupid to me.
 
SF said:
I'm not going to pretend all is well while we rapidly bomb down the table.
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I’m not pretending all is well, I’ve criticised and praised in equal measure and also understand why people want a change and I wouldn’t be massively against it either.

Twist my posts to suit your argument narrative if you want, you just look like a tit for doing so.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I didn’t say deserved to win I say as good as we got, don’t twist my words to suite the narrative.

It was just showing how it doesn’t always paint the full picture, I’m aware our creativity has been poor this season but I think that’s down to Lowe keeping us solid to protect a poor back line that needs upgrading sooner rather than later whilst also dealing with getting the likes of Osmijic, Millar, Holmes, Keane and Mads to gel with the rest of the squad.

Add to that he also doesn’t have good options at LCB and LWB.

Last point is neither here nor there, if you want to read a spreadsheet rather than actually watch the game of football then be my guest but that just seems a bit stupid to me.
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I said we were fortunate to win those games and then produced the stats. 'That shows me that we were fortunate against Sunderland and gave as good as we got against Plymouth and Birmingham,' came across as you disagreed.
 
norky84 said:
I said we were fortunate to win those games and then produced the stats. 'That shows me that we were fortunate against Sunderland and gave as good as we got against Plymouth and Birmingham,' came across as you disagreed.
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Just said we gave as good as we got.

The Twitter thread you put up was brilliant, makes for bad reading.

The pressure is certainly on Lowe if you ask me.
 
norky84 said:
I never went to Sunderland game, but my mate said we were fortunate to win. I went to Plymouth and Birmingham games, I thought we were fortunate to win those. If I was an away fan in those games, I'd have been convinced we should have had a point.

Some offensive stats from these games:
PNE VS Sunderland
XG 0.64 vs 1.38
Shots on target 2 vs 5
Shots off target 3 vs 4
Blocked shots 4 vs 7
Corners 5 vs 12
Keeper saves 4 vs 0
Dangerous attacks 28 vs 65

PNE VS Plymouth
XG 1.56 vs 1.56
Shots on target 6 vs 6
Shots off target 3 vs 2
Blocked shots 1 vs 8
Corners 4 vs 14
Keeper saves 5 vs 4
Dangerous attacks 36 vs 62

PNE vs Birmingham
XG 0.63 vs 0 83
Shots on target 3 vs 4
Shots off target 1 vs 2
Blocked shots 2 vs 4
Corners 5 vs 12
Keeper saves 3 vs 1
Dangerous attacks 43 vs 47

We failed to have more shots on goal, we failed to have a higher xG, we had less corners, our Keeper made more saves, we had less dangerous attacks. We couldn't keep playing like that and still carrying on winning. Sadly that's been prove right in this awful run of recent games bar Southampton where we were unlucky.
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On the xG for those games, there's a few other things worth taking into consideration. Sunderland had a penalty so 0.79 of that xG is from the penalty. With Birmingham, one of our goals was an own goal so it won't show up on the xG.

Against Plymouth, from the stats I have we had a higher xGOT.
xGOT 2.16 vs 1.63

Basically we were more likely to score from the shots we had because we aimed them better.

Generally agree though that we haven't been great at creating chances.
 
norky84 said:
I never went to Sunderland game, but my mate said we were fortunate to win. I went to Plymouth and Birmingham games, I thought we were fortunate to win those. If I was an away fan in those games, I'd have been convinced we should have had a point.

Some offensive stats from these games:
PNE VS Sunderland
XG 0.64 vs 1.38
Shots on target 2 vs 5
Shots off target 3 vs 4
Blocked shots 4 vs 7
Corners 5 vs 12
Keeper saves 4 vs 0
Dangerous attacks 28 vs 65

PNE VS Plymouth
XG 1.56 vs 1.56
Shots on target 6 vs 6
Shots off target 3 vs 2
Blocked shots 1 vs 8
Corners 4 vs 14
Keeper saves 5 vs 4
Dangerous attacks 36 vs 62

PNE vs Birmingham
XG 0.63 vs 0 83
Shots on target 3 vs 4
Shots off target 1 vs 2
Blocked shots 2 vs 4
Corners 5 vs 12
Keeper saves 3 vs 1
Dangerous attacks 43 vs 47

We failed to have more shots on goal, we failed to have a higher xG, we had less corners, our Keeper made more saves, we had less dangerous attacks. We couldn't keep playing like that and still carrying on winning. Sadly that's been prove right in this awful run of recent games bar Southampton where we were unlucky.
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Rodney Bewes said:
On the xG for those games, there's a few other things worth taking into consideration. Sunderland had a penalty so 0.79 of that xG is from the penalty. With Birmingham, one of our goals was an own goal so it won't show up on the xG.

Against Plymouth, from the stats I have we had a higher xGOT.
xGOT 2.16 vs 1.63

Basically we were more likely to score from the shots we had because we aimed them better.

Generally agree though that we haven't been great at creating chances.
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Good job we don't have Sean Maguire up front anymore then.

Expected goals would always be 0.00
 
Mr. M said:
So what is the system of play that we are capable of playing most effectively? None of our starting XI defenders have any pace or passing ability whatsoever.

If the base of your team cannot run or pass and sit very deep how do you expect to have a brand of attacking football? The base is so deep - it pulls the rest of the team so far back and the build up is so slow because of this.

Need a defensive overhaul to even contemplate playing more attacking football.
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That makes you wonder with our limited resources we were buying attacking players in the last window when it’s glaringly obvious that the rebuild should be starting from the back.

We even tried to pay £6.5 for cannon which would’ve made the situation even worse. A lack of plan to me.
 
Rodney Bewes said:
On the xG for those games, there's a few other things worth taking into consideration. Sunderland had a penalty so 0.79 of that xG is from the penalty. With Birmingham, one of our goals was an own goal so it won't show up on the xG.

Against Plymouth, from the stats I have we had a higher xGOT.
xGOT 2.16 vs 1.63

Basically we were more likely to score from the shots we had because we aimed them better.

Generally agree though that we haven't been great at creating chances.
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Excellent assessment Rodney.

Questions,

Do you think we're suffering a bit from Lowe having to embed new players such as Millar, Osmijic and Mads and get them up to speed and used to the championship?

Do you think we're suffering from poor recruitment in defence and down the left hand side of our team?

And how do you think injuries to Keane, McCann and Hughes have effected us?
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Do you think we're suffering a bit from Lowe having to embed new players such as Millar, Osmijic and Mads and get them up to speed and used to the championship?
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Imagine if they'd had some kind of intense training period, maybe a team-building camp away somewhere warm and a handful of friendly games in the weeks before the Championship started.

A sort of "pre-season" kind of thing where you could sign players and bed them in over the Summer.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Excellent assessment Rodney.

Questions,

Do you think we're suffering a bit from Lowe having to embed new players such as Millar, Osmijic and Mads and get them up to speed and used to the championship?

Do you think we're suffering from poor recruitment in defence and down the left hand side of our team?

And how do you think injuries to Keane, McCann and Hughes have effected us?
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1/ yes.
2/ yes.
3/ adversely to varying degrees.
 
I don’t follow stats and xG goes straight over my head but I do look at goal difference.
Since we came back up to the championship, bar two seasons with AN, our GD has been 0 or minus.
Generally, the worse your GD is, the lower in the table you finish.
At present, our GD is saying mid table again.
 
Bobbage said:
Imagine if they'd had some kind of intense training period, maybe a team-building camp away somewhere warm and a handful of friendly games in the weeks before the Championship started.

A sort of "pre-season" kind of thing where you could sign players and bed them in over the Summer.
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What, instead of a delayed, end of season, golfing holiday?

That would be a great idea Bob
 
Bobbage said:
Imagine if they'd had some kind of intense training period, maybe a team-building camp away somewhere warm and a handful of friendly games in the weeks before the Championship started.

A sort of "pre-season" kind of thing where you could sign players and bed them in over the Summer.
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This sort of concept would have the white vans showing up to take you away if you mentioned it at Euxton.
 
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