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Is Lowe evolving?

Is Lowe evolving?

Does that come down to having Cunningham and Brady as your only left sided options at the moment?

Plus Ledson as your other midfield option.

No LWB is slowly coming back to bite us.
He could play Millar instead of Brady tbf, and Whiteman could be more advanced with Ledson in there. Browne on the bench. He has decent squad options.
 
I would play
Woodman
Storey Lindsay Cunningham
Potts. Whiteman
Holmes Mads/Browne Millar
Keane Osmajic

The idea being Holmes and Millar do track back to covers the wings and Potts whiteman to cover the defenders when needed….worked for me in football manager 😀
 
For me I'm starting to ask questions of Lowe, there's small underlining issues with his management that are starting to creep in regularly now that need to be addressed, issues that I thought signings would have changed. Poor dull performances, lack of tactical flexibility and insistence on playing certain players to name 3.

His persistence with players such as Ledson and Brady are starting to cost us football matches, a team playing with those two regularly do not have the control of a game or attacking impetus/flexibility needed to sustain a top 6 push and to improve us from last season. That left hand side today of Brady, Ledson and Cunningham looked slow, unimaginative, composure-less and at times painfully poor and meant we were purely 1 dimensional all game as it effects the balance of the rest of the time.

The thought of playing with a midfield today without Whiteman in actually sends shivers down my spine, thank god he is back, we look miles better in the middle with him there and we need to play Holmes next to him in there, any further inclusion of Ledson just starts to ring alarm bells about the managers competency.

We're also starting to see the repetitions in performances that happened last season because of our lack of specialist wing-backs, something that continues to make the re-signing of Brady look poorer and poorer with every one of his continued inclusions, but do you make the call and play the inexperienced Best?

Lowe has now been backed, but have performances improved? It's hard to say yes after the last 4 showings and some victories where in some cases we were passed and moved off the park. Teams like Plymouth, Birmingham and Sunderland made us look silly at times with not necessarily better players.

There's no better game for Lowe to show that he can get a big home performance and selection out of his team than Southampton, especially if the players and Lowe want to show that our early season form wasn't just a flash in the pan and we're heading for mid season mediocrity again, after actually spending money in a transfer window.

I and I'm sure others at the club are starting to think we deserve more for our money.
Some good and valid points. However, how are the likes of Best ever going to get experienced when they are overlooked by the likes of under performing players like Brady,Cunningham etc? OK you may say loan them out to lower league clubs to gain experience. That is not gaining experience at this level. Every now and again a manager has to make a decision that might not be popular and take a gamble on a youngster. Mawene is another who is waiting in the wings. There will come a time when they will say sod this I'm off I want to be a footballer not a seat warmer. Mr Lowe I reckon that time to gamble is now whilst the season is relatively in it's infancy. So yes we may lose some games but what is the difference we are losing them anyway with your tried and tested preference of players. Is Ryan Lowe evolving? Yes, into a predictable manager who appears to pefer not losing a match rather than winning it.
 
Tbf, I'd say Lowe has given youth a chance more than any other manager bar Darren Ferguson (who was probably told to for cost cutting purposes).

Seary, Best, O'Neill, Slater, Leigh, Mawene, Kamara, and Cross-Adair all making appearances.
 
Mads and Browne should be the No 10 options, then two of Ledson, Whiteman and McCann for the defensive midfielders. Holmes isn’t a 10 for me, not physical like Browne and not creative enough, looks like a winger
precisely this with Holmes, watching him jump up for aerial balls is genuinely like watching a cartoon its that comical.
 
In the "Good Old, Bad Old Days" there used to be a 'proper' Reserve Team system , where the second eleven of PNE ( even though the Club were in the second or third division, - would play the likes of Manchester United's or Everton's reserves.
These sides would be a mixture of -
(a)second choices ( who didn't make the 'bench' - which numbered far fewer than now .
(b) promising young-uns. ( some of whom were on the brink of breaking-through ) &
(c)players well down the road of recovery, and playing as both part of their therapy and to knock some more of that 'rust' off, in order to gain match fitness.
(d)player(s) just bought from a new club up-to-speed & see just how fit he is.

All that's gone now. The resses don't play 42
competitive games a season & therefore aren't 'Match Fit' . There's no opportunities to assess these players and also look at a Big Club's players in the same way, and how they play against your own players. Less opportunity for your Club to 'scout' or 'watch' those other players.
From the fans point of view, if your team was playing far far away to make it less possible to go, you could watch the reserves & maybe see how they cope against playing a "big star" for them.
Instead , we get a packed bench, some of whom know they aren't going on. And such a bench suits a Very Big Club. They are 'banking' players, so they can't play. Against them. Plus there's an instant pitch replacement for their 'star' player who takes a knock- simply replace them with that second 'star' player. (which Clubs does that favour, I don't wonder 😐?)
 
Tbf, I'd say Lowe has given youth a chance more than any other manager bar Darren Ferguson (who was probably told to for cost cutting purposes).

Seary, Best, O'Neill, Slater, Leigh, Mawene, Kamara, and Cross-Adair all making appearances.
10 minutes here and there is hardly giving youth a chance. Ok,Best had a few games while Brady missed yet another pre season. (he'll probably will miss Christmas as well) but the others have been feeding off scraps.
 
10 minutes here and there is hardly giving youth a chance. Ok,Best had a few games while Brady missed yet another pre season. (he'll probably will miss Christmas as well) but the others have been feeding off scraps.
I like what i've seen from Best, and I don't think he would offer any less than Cunningham or Brady, but ultimately, we have a L1/2 youth setup, and it's unlikely any of the others are good enough to be starting games in the Championship. Woodburn getting minutes off the bench instead of Mawene is a sickener though.
 
In the "Good Old, Bad Old Days" there used to be a 'proper' Reserve Team system , where the second eleven of PNE ( even though the Club were in the second or third division, - would play the likes of Manchester United's or Everton's reserves.
These sides would be a mixture of -
(a)second choices ( who didn't make the 'bench' - which numbered far fewer than now .
(b) promising young-uns. ( some of whom were on the brink of breaking-through ) &
(c)players well down the road of recovery, and playing as both part of their therapy and to knock some more of that 'rust' off, in order to gain match fitness.
(d)player(s) just bought from a new club up-to-speed & see just how fit he is.

All that's gone now. The resses don't play 42
competitive games a season & therefore aren't 'Match Fit' . There's no opportunities to assess these players and also look at a Big Club's players in the same way, and how they play against your own players. Less opportunity for your Club to 'scout' or 'watch' those other players.
From the fans point of view, if your team was playing far far away to make it less possible to go, you could watch the reserves & maybe see how they cope against playing a "big star" for them.
Instead , we get a packed bench, some of whom know they aren't going on. And such a bench suits a Very Big Club. They are 'banking' players, so they can't play. Against them. Plus there's an instant pitch replacement for their 'star' player who takes a knock- simply replace them with that second 'star' player. (which Clubs does that favour, I don't wonder 😐?)
And they were played at Deepdale when the first team played away. You could get into the games on your season ticket.
 
Things haven't changed. We saw results like this throughout last season. We were pragmatic whilst RL maintained that we were working towards "the brand". It's far from his fault by the way. Anyone getting results with this squad is doing a great job and I salute him.

2/3 bad results and the perspective will change. And they'll come. Give the man what he needs. Today we were on the whole average but we ground it out. We still lack quality and when we come up against the top teams we'll come undone.

This forums extremely erratic. For me we finish lower midtable with the current squad which is what the board expects/wants. We are threadbare to say the least. 2 or 3 signings we give ourselves a fighting chance.

Every credit to RL. For me we can't expect more with the current resources.
So RL got his couple of signings.

Things haven't changed in terms of style of play but I still reckon he's going to end up finishing where this squad probably should. Mid table pushing for top ten, maybe.

Problem is, as Preston North End we need an anomaly of a manager. Basically someone who's too good for us to get a midtable squad pushing. RL probably isn't the man for that, but I can't exactly say he's failing, although by the end of the season I don't think I'll be saying he's succeeding either.
 
I like what i've seen from Best, and I don't think he would offer any less than Cunningham or Brady, but ultimately, we have a L1/2 youth setup, and it's unlikely any of the others are good enough to be starting games in the Championship. Woodburn getting minutes off the bench instead of Mawene is a sickener though.

I'd be angry seeing Woodburn serve me on the concourse.

He'd probably try and hand me the pint and either foul his co-worker or fling it 10 yards over my head.
 
I'd be angry seeing Woodburn serve me on the concourse.

He'd probably try and hand me the pint and either foul his co-worker or fling it 10 yards over my head.

Don't know why he made that absolutely unnecessary substitution on Saturday.

Best was dropped because he wasn't good enough defensively. A job that Lowe realised Brady could do as badly if not worse. We'd have been better leaving Best in and letting him hopefully learn as he played more and more this season than persevering with the more experienced and equally bad defender.
 
Don't know why he made that absolutely unnecessary substitution on Saturday.

Best was dropped because he wasn't good enough defensively. A job that Lowe realised Brady could do as badly if not worse. We'd have been better leaving Best in and letting him hopefully learn as he played more and more this season than persevering with the more experienced and equally bad defender.

Ye neither do I, I don't however subscribe to the conspiracy theory that it was for $ for Woodburn. I'd have brought Stewart on and really gone at then.

I think we got lucky with Best on a couple of occasions, Sunderland he left us completely wide open and if it wasn't for the recovery pace of Hughes the Sunderland lad probably would have scored and to play the lad against the likes of West Brom, Leicester and Ipswich could have been a lamb to the slaughter, maybe better that Brady was the sacrificial lamb rather than one of our up and coming youth team players.

Brady does understand the positions positioning and I think that's why he is in, but also he can delivery an undefendable set piece at times.
 
Don't know why he made that absolutely unnecessary substitution on Saturday.

Best was dropped because he wasn't good enough defensively. A job that Lowe realised Brady could do as badly if not worse. We'd have been better leaving Best in and letting him hopefully learn as he played more and more this season than persevering with the more experienced and equally bad defender.

Yeah, people spout this like it's some binary good vs bad thing. Brady made more tackles in his hour on Saturday than Best has all season. It's not 'equal'. It's not even close.

In addition, Best also gave possession away more than Brady does.

Like, I understand people have much higher expectations for a senior pro than a youth team graduate. But it's burying your head in the sand to act like they're just the same is not it.
 
Don't know why he made that absolutely unnecessary substitution on Saturday.

Best was dropped because he wasn't good enough defensively. A job that Lowe realised Brady could do as badly if not worse. We'd have been better leaving Best in and letting him hopefully learn as he played more and more this season than persevering with the more experienced and equally bad defender.
I just thought it was a very lazy substitution, the only way he could make a like for like attacking substitution was to do that. He couldn’t replace either forward because they’d only just come on, he couldn’t really go to 3 up front without exposing us defensively and, as good as Best‘s delivery is, you couldn’t ask him to play in a completely new position - he’s not even apparently a wing back by trade.

In a way, the more proactive and stronger decision would have been to leave it well alone.
 
Ye neither do I, I don't however subscribe to the conspiracy theory that it was for $ for Woodburn. I'd have brought Stewart on and really gone at then.

I think we got lucky with Best on a couple of occasions, Sunderland he left us completely wide open and if it wasn't for the recovery pace of Hughes the Sunderland lad probably would have scored and to play the lad against the likes of West Brom, Leicester and Ipswich could have been a lamb to the slaughter, maybe better that Brady was the sacrificial lamb rather than one of our up and coming youth team players.

Brady does understand the positions positioning and I think that's why he is in, but also he can delivery an undefendable set piece at times.

You are describing Best and not Brady aren't you? Unless you are describing a direct walloping into the net then I was far more impressed from what I saw of Bests "deliveries". The lads deliveries and corners are quality.
 
Yeah, people spout this like it's some binary good vs bad thing. Brady made more tackles in his hour on Saturday than Best has all season. It's not 'equal'. It's not even close.

In addition, Best also gave possession away more than Brady does.

Like, I understand people have much higher expectations for a senior pro than a youth team graduate. But it's burying your head in the sand to act like they're just the same is not it.

Brady's the past and Best is the future....... So lets be honest, we'll do jack shit again this season so why not use Best to progress him even if it's bringing him on late. Saturday was a perfect example.
 
Brady's the past and Best is the future....... So lets be honest, we'll do jack shit again this season so why not use Best to progress him even if it's bringing him on late. Saturday was a perfect example.

If you want to say the entire season is a write off, that's your prerogative, I doubt the club and players feel the same. And people say I'm a pessimist!

I agreed that bringing him on late, on Saturday would have been a good choice- think that's the best way to use him right now.

And he will die trying to hold that hill imho....

If we get to a point where Best is good enough, I'll be the first to call for his inclusion. Wishing really hard doesn't change the facts though.
 
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