Is Lowe evolving?

[milkyken]

If someone consistently only gets sub appearances, from as you say a manager who sees him day in day out, doesn’t that tell you something?

Yea it does. When he says he’s been good in training and was going to put him on for 45 mins.

Look, I’m just not in to the scapegoating and people saying he’s shit. He’s obviously not but people have that opinion and that’s fine.

I’m not going to change your mind of him and that’s fine.

Potts was shit, ledson, Woodburn and Brady are shit at present.

It’s how we roll.

 

[norky84]

39 appearances of 5 minutes or less.

Your comparison is awful also

This really isn't true though seeing as he's started 12 games for us.

Ben Woodburn isn't shit at Football. But he's a poor player at this level and has never had any good record at this level.

 

[Libertine]

He was "on fire" to the point that he never even came on against Southampton and got 5 minutes plus injury time against Millwall.

This is surely bollocks.

Maybe he said it to give Woodburn a bit of a boost. Presumably Woodburn hears the mumbles and grumbles whenever he comes on and the lad's head is down. In this era of #BeKind there is all that to think about.

https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/preston-north-end-ryan-lowe-ben-woodburn-4387216

 

[RibbletonWhite2.0]

This really isn't true though seeing as he's started 12 games for us.

Ben Woodburn isn't shit at Football. But he's a poor player at this level and has never had any good record at this level.

To be fair I think milkyken makes a good point. Do I think woodburn is a good player? No but booing him when he enters the pitch doesn’t help the situation. His confidence is probably at an all time low and as fans we need to be supportive of the players. Five minute cameo’s doesn’t help him but if Lowe chose to put him on at half time I can guarantee there would have been idiots booing him. I’m

Someone mentions the other day How ledson only starts because he is scouse. People act like he’s a really shit footballer but McCann who hasn’t really looked much better than ledson gets zero abuse or criticism.

People booing players entering or leaving the pitch for giving their all in my eyes is disgusting. Yet the people who do it will then cry when the manager calls them out on it. Which is exactly what happened with Southgate and maguire/Henderson the other week.

 

[jgriff2296]

I don't rate Woodburn (at this level) and likewise Ledson - but booing my own player - never have I done that.

 

[No Danger]

I don't rate Woodburn (at this level) and likewise Ledson - but booing my own player - never have I done that.

Always makes me cringe but I’m a soft git I suppose.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

To be fair I think milkyken makes a good point. Do I think woodburn is a good player? No but booing him when he enters the pitch doesn’t help the situation. His confidence is probably at an all time low and as fans we need to be supportive of the players. Five minute cameo’s doesn’t help him but if Lowe chose to put him on at half time I can guarantee there would have been idiots booing him. I’m

Someone mentions the other day How ledson only starts because he is scouse. People act like he’s a really shit footballer but McCann who hasn’t really looked much better than ledson gets zero abuse or criticism.

People booing players entering or leaving the pitch for giving their all in my eyes is disgusting. Yet the people who do it will then cry when the manager calls them out on it. Which is exactly what happened with Southgate and maguire/Henderson the other week.

I couldn't disagree more on your point about McCann, I find him really under appreciated and the amount of ground he covers helps us massively.

He also plays things simple.

 

[SF]

Yeah, McCann has been great this season.

His defensive numbers blow the rest of our midfielders out of the water, and he also carries the ball well which goes a bit unnoticed.

He also keeps the ball much better than Ledson.

In fact, fuck it, numbers speak louder than words:

Pass completion - McCann (72.1%) - Ledson (61.8%)
Dribbles per game - McCann (1.7) - Ledson (0.8)
Tackles per game - McCann (3.4) - Ledson (1.8)
Interceptions per game - McCann (2) - Ledson (1.2)
Clearances per game - McCann (2) - Ledson (1.1)

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Yeah, McCann has been great this season.

His defensive numbers blow the rest of our midfielders out of the water, and he also carries the ball well which goes a bit unnoticed.

He also keeps the ball much better than Ledson.

I think with him against Millwall we have more of a grip of the midfield.

 

[norky84]

To be fair I think milkyken makes a good point. Do I think woodburn is a good player? No but booing him when he enters the pitch doesn’t help the situation. His confidence is probably at an all time low and as fans we need to be supportive of the players. Five minute cameo’s doesn’t help him but if Lowe chose to put him on at half time I can guarantee there would have been idiots booing him. I’m

Someone mentions the other day How ledson only starts because he is scouse. People act like he’s a really shit footballer but McCann who hasn’t really looked much better than ledson gets zero abuse or criticism.

People booing players entering or leaving the pitch for giving their all in my eyes is disgusting. Yet the people who do it will then cry when the manager calls them out on it. Which is exactly what happened with Southgate and maguire/Henderson the other week.

But you can also have the opinion that someone is poor, but not boo them.

 

[Dreyfuss]

Woodburn probably hasn't "been on fire" in training very often this season or he'd have surely amassed more than 66+ mins of game time across his 8 league appearances.

When he decides to shoot wildly from outside the box maybe he can accept some fans frustration, considering he's had 36 shots in his PNE career and only put 5 on target.

No amount of sentimental drenched hope, changes the fact some players just never get to grips with playing at this level. For every phoenix rise ala Mark Rankine, there's a dozen Josh Harrop's.

When I see Woodburn coming on, I consider the game pretty much over with. He's a last throw of a dice option who has very rarely offered any impact whatsoever.

 

[Staffordwhite]

Looking at the quotes on the LEP, this thread could have been very different today. He could have lost the frigging whole ground.

“We do have to make those decisions. Teams in the Championship have squads and that is what they are for. Anyone who plays, starts or comes on to the pitch, they are taking instructions on and performing. It is tough when people get left out. I was bringing Ben Woodburn on at half-time (against Southampton) to get into the ten position, but something just told me to get an extra striker on. Woody has been absolutely on fire in training and is just waiting for that opportunity. In terms of the squad, the depth is a lot better than it has been.”

Credit to Lowe the other night; I disagreed with sacrificing Mads at HT, but fair play, he got it pretty spot on.

Then you read something like that (above) and wonder if it was more by luck than judgement...

I'm far from convinced he'll bring us success or decent football long term, but I expect he'll keep us up this season, so y'know . . . job done. 😑

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Credit to Lowe the other night; I disagreed with sacrificing Mads at HT, but fair play, he got it pretty spot on.

Then you read something like that (above) and wonder if it was more by luck than judgement...

I'm far from convinced he'll bring us success or decent football long term, but I expect he'll keep us up this season, so y'know . . . job done. 😑

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

[Jack Daniels]

Tbf, I'd say Lowe has given youth a chance more than any other manager bar Darren Ferguson (who was probably told to for cost cutting purposes).

Seary, Best, O'Neill, Slater, Leigh, Mawene, Kamara, and Cross-Adair all making appearances.

You missed out Taylor. Played v Salford.

 

[Jack Daniels]

I like what i've seen from Best, and I don't think he would offer any less than Cunningham or Brady, but ultimately, we have a L1/2 youth setup, and it's unlikely any of the others are good enough to be starting games in the Championship. Woodburn getting minutes off the bench instead of Mawene is a sickener though.

I would suggest Woodburn getting on ahead of Stewart is equally as bad.

 

[The Cottam one]

I would suggest Woodburn getting on ahead of Stewart is equally as bad.

Like against Millwall. Why Woodburn was brought on still confuses me. Surely you bring the extra striker on rather than someone who offers nothing apart from running around like a headless chicken

 

[Jack Daniels]

I've said, a few days ago, that the board should start to look at options.

Insane.

Or Insania to quote Peter Andre.

Take your pick.

I prefer the word "deluded".

 

[milkyken]

To be fair I think milkyken makes a good point. Do I think woodburn is a good player? No but booing him when he enters the pitch doesn’t help the situation. His confidence is probably at an all time low and as fans we need to be supportive of the players. Five minute cameo’s doesn’t help him but if Lowe chose to put him on at half time I can guarantee there would have been idiots booing him. I’m

Someone mentions the other day How ledson only starts because he is scouse. People act like he’s a really shit footballer but McCann who hasn’t really looked much better than ledson gets zero abuse or criticism.

People booing players entering or leaving the pitch for giving their all in my eyes is disgusting. Yet the people who do it will then cry when the manager calls them out on it. Which is exactly what happened with Southgate and maguire/Henderson the other week.

Can you warn me when you are going to agree with me so I can sit down!!

 

[Damp Squib]

Yea it does. When he says he’s been good in training and was going to put him on for 45 mins.

Look, I’m just not in to the scapegoating and people saying he’s shit. He’s obviously not but people have that opinion and that’s fine.

I’m not going to change your mind of him and that’s fine.

Potts was shit, ledson, Woodburn and Brady are shit at present.

It’s how we roll.

Ryan can (and does) say a lot of things, but the reality is he has limited Woodburn to cameo appearances here and didn't bring him on at half time and that's because Ben simply isn't good enough for this level. Actions speak louder than words.

He wasn't good enough for Liverpool, he wasn't good enough at Oxford, he wasn't good enough at Blackpool, he wasn't good enough at Hearts and he hasn't been good enough here. That's a lot of clubs where he hasn't made an impact, and a lot of managers who didn't want him back.

You seem to have this hard on for saying anyone who points out that Ben isn't good enough is "scapegoating" him, when the reality is they are just stating the glaringly obvious. He's another Harrop - may look quality on the training pitch but for whatever reason doesn't have what it takes to make it at this level. Do I agree with people who boo him? No. Do I agree he shouldn't be in the team. Yes.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of your "I'm a fucking wonderful happy clapping fan" power trip you're on.

 

[Mel Tottoh]

Woodburn is a waste of a seat on the subs bench . He's never going to come on and actually impact the game positively or help shore things up if we're trying to see a game out , he's been here long enough to prove that . We'd be better giving his seat to one of the young lads so they can at least be gaining some experience .
I agree about not booing him , but absolutely agree he should not be in the squad either .