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Is Lowe evolving?

Is Lowe evolving?

Jack Daniels said:
Yes.

I'm not getting involved in a tit for tat backwards forwards argument.

You think we are relegation fodder, I don't.

See you regards this at the seasons end. 👍
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Agree about us not being relegation fodder, the squad we have is decent, we are where we are in the league in spite of RL not because of him.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Interesting as we have been "going nowhere" for a couple of decades now since KBD departed the building.

What makes yourself - and others - think that the next incumbent will wield "the magic touch"? History shows otherwise.

Under Lowe, we can at least banish any thoughts of relegation. Point One achieved.

Food for thought.
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A question for everyone and not just in response to this post but have we actually progressed since Grayson left?

Both in terms of the standard of football and actually in terms of getting in the play offs?

For me there is a theme that when our managers play to our strengths and what our players abilities we do well.

When our manager's inevitably start over thinking the opposition, things go badly, very quickly.

I fully understood the approach at Leicester and even applauded them off the pitch, despite a pummelling.

However, despite changing things at half time on Wednesday, Lowe reverted to the set up at Hull and with respect to themz it is a game we should be aiming to win.

I am perplexed that he believes Woodburn & Brady are the type of players to bring on when we needed a goal.

At times last season I felt that Ryan's lack of flexibility was costing us but felt that after the first few games this season he was starting to grasp what a club like PNE need to do in this league.

Sadly though I feel he will never quite be tactically good enough at this level, I am not sure we will get back into the top six for a consistent period again this season.

I beleive that our squad is better than recent results indicate.

I do of course hope I am wrong and he can get us back on track on Saturday, which for me now is a must win to prevent a long hard winter.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Interesting as we have been "going nowhere" for a couple of decades now since KBD departed the building.

What makes yourself - and others - think that the next incumbent will wield "the magic touch"? History shows otherwise.

Under Lowe, we can at least banish any thoughts of relegation. Point One achieved.

Food for thought.
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Exciting times! 😕

FWIW, I agree but I think most of the players are far better than some of the dross we've served up.
 
Moonpnefc said:
Subs were a disgrace yesterday. Brady and Woodburn being brought on when we had Mads on the bench was a shambles. Ched was excellent when he came on and Whiteman and Browne played well. Tactically we were set up not to lose for an attacking manager it is pathetic way to set up. Hull we’re there to be got after if we had set up to press and hurry them instead we backed off them and allowed them to find a rhythm.
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I actually thought Brady did well when he came on. He's been poor this season, but still has quality and when he got cheered off against Millwall it was nothing short of a disgrace. Bringing Woodburn on over Mads, for whom we paid over £1m, won't have gone unnoticed in the boardroom.

But yeah, can count on one hand the amount of times we have set up to 'press and hurry' the opposition since this manager joined. There was a point in the second half, where their keeper had the ball, and we weren't even showing signs of wanting to get the ball back. The away end was fuming.
 
Jack Daniels said:
Interesting as we have been "going nowhere" for a couple of decades now since KBD departed the building.

What makes yourself - and others - think that the next incumbent will wield "the magic touch"? History shows otherwise.

Under Lowe, we can at least banish any thoughts of relegation. Point One achieved.

Food for thought.
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I don’t disagree JD. Championship/L1 is our foreseeable future as things stand.

Its the borefest that RL serves up that frustrates me most. Just try and win games, please. I can tolerate losing, and being mid table, if we at least play well and try.
 
Wisemen say said:
I think the expectations of the fans might also count when it comes to RLs Deepdale tenure.
With the signings we have made, the players available, some promising youth players, we should especially at home be seeing team selection,formation, and tactics, allowing us to take the game to the opposition, play at a high tempo, use our wide players to attack and beat defenders and create chances and have forwards on the pitch to get on the end of the chances we create.
If we see some positive, attacking football the second half against Southampton,with fight and aggression the fans will react accordingly.
Should RL continue with his wingback, one up top, side ways , backwards and the lump it forward play, slow pedestrian build up allowing the opposition 70% possession, defend deep and create very few scoring opportunities then the reaction at Deepdale could cause the Directors to look differently at his tenure.
We have players who can play on the front foot, who can attack with pace and can create and finish chances, we can play attacking football at pace.,with the players we have
I think that's what the loyal support deserves and that is a fair expectation, anything less and I'm sure Deepdale will let those in charge know what the fans expectations are.🤔
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Yeah definitely agree with most of that, but not as confident as you that we have players who can attach at pace.

How quick is Mads? Riis has pace when he's fit. But Ched & Keane aren't quick. Millar is quick, Osmajic, maybe Best, but beyond that, who else?

This is part of the problem - we don't have enpough pace in the squad.
 
He’s been given a better hand to play with this season but is still working out how to use it.

To me the fundamental problem is still the fear of us getting turned and leaving the defence exposed to quick passing and fast running. This was the problem last season and with pretty much the same personnel it’s still the problem now.

OK, it’s a fairly complicated issue to solve and I’m not sure I have an answer. Unfortunately Lowe clearly hasn’t got one yet either and he’s the one paid a small fortune to have one. If bringing on Woodburn is the answer then I’m fucked if I know what the question is. That’s starting to look like someone who’s rolling the dice rather than having a plan or a solution.

He deserves a bit more time to try and work out how to use the comparative strength now available (surely, if our defence is weak, we need to think positive and aim to hurt other teams rather than protecting ourselves?) but if we’re still fucking about like this in another couple of months then some pretty serious questions need to be asked.
 
Tugg Speedman said:
Yeah definitely agree with most of that, but not as confident as you that we have players who can attach at pace.

How quick is Mads? Riis has pace when he's fit. But Ched & Keane aren't quick. Millar is quick, Osmajic, maybe Best, but beyond that, who else?

This is part of the problem - we don't have enpough pace in the squad.
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I agree with as in the last couple of games Millar has broken away and got into a great position but only Milli has been the only player breaking with him.

This isn't just down to a lack of pace though it it is partly down to our set up.

With having Whiteman and Ledson as CDM's it means only Browne and sometimes Holmes are far enough up the pitch to support the attack.

On Wednesday though in the second half we pressed much higher and supported the strikers.

Sadly at Hull Lowe reverted back to type.
 
JK said:
A question for everyone and not just in response to this post but have we actually progressed since Grayson left?

Both in terms of the standard of football and actually in terms of getting in the play offs?

For me there is a theme that when our managers play to our strengths and what our players abilities we do well.

When our manager's inevitably start over thinking the opposition, things go badly, very quickly.

I fully understood the approach at Leicester and even applauded them off the pitch, despite a pummelling.

However, despite changing things at half time on Wednesday, Lowe reverted to the set up at Hull and with respect to themz it is a game we should be aiming to win.

I am perplexed that he believes Woodburn & Brady are the type of players to bring on when we needed a goal.

At times last season I felt that Ryan's lack of flexibility was costing us but felt that after the first few games this season he was starting to grasp what a club like PNE need to do in this league.

Sadly though I feel he will never quite be tactically good enough at this level, I am not sure we will get back into the top six for a consistent period again this season.

I beleive that our squad is better than recent results indicate.

I do of course hope I am wrong and he can get us back on track on Saturday, which for me now is a must win to prevent a long hard winter.
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Barring AN's first season in charge, the league tables basically answer the question an it's a resounding "no"
An we all know what the approach was for most of AN's first season. An approach which he suddenly abandoned due to what some claimed as gaining too many injuries. Not sure about that theory myself but it was abandoned none the less.
Even though Grayson give us two 11th placed finishes, I actually enjoyed the football much more than I'm enjoying now. An we'd never surrender possession on a scale like Lowe does
Dont forget Lowe has said he's sick of finishing mid table, yes, his words!
I think he's gonna end feeling sick again, if he's still here!
 
Naughton's moustache said:
Barring AN's first season in charge, the league tables basically answer the question an it's a resounding "no"
An we all know what the approach was for most of AN's first season. An approach which he suddenly abandoned due to what some claimed as gaining too many injuries. Not sure about that theory myself but it was abandoned none the less.
Even though Grayson give us two 11th placed finishes, I actually enjoyed the football much more than I'm enjoying now. An we'd never surrender possession on a scale like Lowe does
Dont forget Lowe has said he's sick of finishing mid table, yes, his words!
I think he's gonna end feeling sick again, if he's still here!
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The football under Grayson was dire at times. I remember actually falling asleep for the only time ever at Deepdale during one of the games.

Grayson was also accused of similar to what Lowe is being accused of now - i.e. instructing the players to sit back and defend a 1 goal lead.

The main topics of conversation tend to circulate, regardless of who the manager is, the main one being: is the current manager capable of getting the best out of the players/are the players capable of more and being restricted (or shackled) by the managers tactics?

Will we ever have the 'right' manager in charge, who will play the football the fans want, whilst also getting the results we need and who the fans will get fully behind and give him enough time to perform a miracle and get us promoted to the Prem on one of the smallest budgets in the league?
 
Tugg Speedman said:
Yeah definitely agree with most of that, but not as confident as you that we have players who can attach at pace.

How quick is Mads? Riis has pace when he's fit. But Ched & Keane aren't quick. Millar is quick, Osmajic, maybe Best, but beyond that, who else?

This is part of the problem - we don't have enpough pace in the squad.
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We don't have enough pace in the squad, but if you pass the ball forward quickly, move into space, play the ball on the floor, you can still attack at pace, create chances and score.
The goal Potts scored against Southampton being a great example.👍
 
Wisemen say said:
We don't have enough pace in the squad, but if you pass the ball forward quickly, move into space, play the ball on the floor, you can still attack at pace, create chances and score.
The goal Potts scored against Southampton being a great example.👍
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Yeah Potts's goal was a great example of sheer strength and determination. Great goal.
 
Wisemen say said:
I think the expectations of the fans might also count when it comes to RLs Deepdale tenure.
With the signings we have made, the players available, some promising youth players, we should especially at home be seeing team selection,formation, and tactics, allowing us to take the game to the opposition, play at a high tempo, use our wide players to attack and beat defenders and create chances and have forwards on the pitch to get on the end of the chances we create.
If we see some positive, attacking football the second half against Southampton,with fight and aggression the fans will react accordingly.
Should RL continue with his wingback, one up top, side ways , backwards and the lump it forward play, slow pedestrian build up allowing the opposition 70% possession, defend deep and create very few scoring opportunities then the reaction at Deepdale could cause the Directors to look differently at his tenure.
We have players who can play on the front foot, who can attack with pace and can create and finish chances, we can play attacking football at pace.,with the players we have
I think that's what the loyal support deserves and that is a fair expectation, anything less and I'm sure Deepdale will let those in charge know what the fans expectations are.🤔
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As fans, we expect to be entertained. I don't mean every minute of every game regardless of the opposition, as we understand our limitations against some of the big hitters in this division. However, Lowe prefers predictable, slow....... boring football every game for the majority of every match. Very, very occasionally we might see somethig from our team that gets us off our seats.... e.g. for a short passage of play on Wednesday. I will arrive at Deepdale on Saturday knowing that unless someone else has been involved with the team selection, tactics or general preparations, it will be the usual turgid mind numbing stuff.
 
Tugg Speedman said:
Yeah definitely agree with most of that, but not as confident as you that we have players who can attach at pace.

How quick is Mads? Riis has pace when he's fit. But Ched & Keane aren't quick. Millar is quick, Osmajic, maybe Best, but beyond that, who else?

This is part of the problem - we don't have enpough pace in the squad.
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“Pace” isn’t all about the sprint speeds of each player though is it.

It’s about the alertness, awareness and quick thinking of the players, the repetition of drills to hone quick attacking play, positive messages to the players that the coaches believe in them, good organisation by the coaches and players and much more. Quick thinking, intelligent movement and slick passing are the things that we should expect the manager to get his team producing. Entertainment and goal chances.

The reason we don’t attack with pace is because the manager chooses to drill the players in defensive play and sets them up virtually every time with a back 5 and 2 deep holding midfielders. There’s no proper attacking plan nor the bodies to do it. He prefers to keep our attacking talent on the bench.
 
JK said:
A question for everyone and not just in response to this post but have we actually progressed since Grayson left?

Both in terms of the standard of football and actually in terms of getting in the play offs?

For me there is a theme that when our managers play to our strengths and what our players abilities we do well.

When our manager's inevitably start over thinking the opposition, things go badly, very quickly.

I fully understood the approach at Leicester and even applauded them off the pitch, despite a pummelling.

However, despite changing things at half time on Wednesday, Lowe reverted to the set up at Hull and with respect to themz it is a game we should be aiming to win.

I am perplexed that he believes Woodburn & Brady are the type of players to bring on when we needed a goal.

At times last season I felt that Ryan's lack of flexibility was costing us but felt that after the first few games this season he was starting to grasp what a club like PNE need to do in this league.

Sadly though I feel he will never quite be tactically good enough at this level, I am not sure we will get back into the top six for a consistent period again this season.

I beleive that our squad is better than recent results indicate.

I do of course hope I am wrong and he can get us back on track on Saturday, which for me now is a must win to prevent a long hard winter.
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Please remind me the last time we( the manager ) did that regularly.
 
Tugg Speedman said:
The football under Grayson was dire at times. I remember actually falling asleep for the only time ever at Deepdale during one of the games.

Grayson was also accused of similar to what Lowe is being accused of now - i.e. instructing the players to sit back and defend a 1 goal lead.

The main topics of conversation tend to circulate, regardless of who the manager is, the main one being: is the current manager capable of getting the best out of the players/are the players capable of more and being restricted (or shackled) by the managers tactics?

Will we ever have the 'right' manager in charge, who will play the football the fans want, whilst also getting the results we need and who the fans will get fully behind and give him enough time to perform a miracle and get us promoted to the Prem on one of the smallest budgets in the league?
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Yes there were times when under Grayson, we would sit back an try an defend a lead.
That is the difference though.
We'd have a lead!!
You'd have to win your individual battles in a Grayson side an earn the right to play
I don't really see that in the current set up barring the likes of Ched.
 
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