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Is Lowe evolving?

Is Lowe evolving?

Jack Daniels said:
Interesting as we have been "going nowhere" for a couple of decades now since KBD departed the building.

What makes yourself - and others - think that the next incumbent will wield "the magic touch"? History shows otherwise.

Under Lowe, we can at least banish any thoughts of relegation. Point One achieved.

Food for thought.
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I am sure that no other manager anywhere (Westley inc) would have brought Brady and Woodburn on when chasing a game
 
billymac said:
I am sure that no other manager anywhere (Westley inc) would have brought Brady and Woodburn on when chasing a game
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No other manager in PNE's history has brought on a £2.3million striker and tried playing him on the right wing, that's for certain!

Whether something got lost in translation or Osmajic said "fuck that for a game of soldiers" when that didn't work we ended up with a 34yr old target man and Ben Woodburn playing as the two number 10s in a box midfield while chasing the game yesterday!!!

Utterly ridiculous!
 
Jack Daniels said:
What makes yourself - and others - think that the next incumbent will wield "the magic touch"? History shows otherwise.

Under Lowe, we can at least banish any thoughts of relegation. Point One achieved.

Food for thought.
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Even Andrew one tree short of a Wood wouldn't get this squad relegated.

But that isn't the point.
 
Bobbage said:
Even Andrew one tree short of a Wood wouldn't get this squad relegated.

But that isn't the point.
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He’d chuck seary, mawene, pradic et al to the wolves.

The concern to me is the lack of progress. I am becoming increasingly of the opinion that Lowe is doing as much as he can with the level of player we can attract. He lacks the knowledge, skill or imagination to do much more.
 
simo said:
He’d chuck seary, mawene, pradic et al to the wolves.

The concern to me is the lack of progress. I am becoming increasingly of the opinion that Lowe is doing as much as he can with the level of player we can attract. He lacks the knowledge, skill or imagination to do much more.
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100% this.
 
26-0 said:
“Pace” isn’t all about the sprint speeds of each player though is it.

It’s about the alertness, awareness and quick thinking of the players, the repetition of drills to hone quick attacking play, positive messages to the players that the coaches believe in them, good organisation by the coaches and players and much more. Quick thinking, intelligent movement and slick passing are the things that we should expect the manager to get his team producing. Entertainment and goal chances.

The reason we don’t attack with pace is because the manager chooses to drill the players in defensive play and sets them up virtually every time with a back 5 and 2 deep holding midfielders. There’s no proper attacking plan nor the bodies to do it. He prefers to keep our attacking talent on the bench.
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Perhaps. However, it's common sense that it's much more difficult to play a fast paced attacking game with players who lack pace. Actually I would say it's nigh on impossible.

We were discussing attacking at pace here. Awareness & quick thinking (speed of thought) might help, but it will not result in being able to attack at pace.

Philogene murdered us on Saturday with his pace (and with his flair and speed of thought) much the same way as he did last season when he was on loan at Cardiff. Other players this season at other clubs have done the same. Perhaps because our defenders are so slow, so it makes things look even worse.

Not disputing that our manager sets us up negatively, so not sure why you're mentioning that.

Would love us to play a fast paced attacking game, but don't believe that we have the players to do it.
 
Naughton's moustache said:
Yes there were times when under Grayson, we would sit back an try an defend a lead.
That is the difference though.
We'd have a lead!!
You'd have to win your individual battles in a Grayson side an earn the right to play
I don't really see that in the current set up barring the likes of Ched.
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Against Southampton, Lowe was accused of instructing the players to sit back and defend the 2-1 lead. Or did I imagine that we had a 2-1 lead?

Similarly against Millwall.
 
JK said:
A question for everyone and not just in response to this post but have we actually progressed since Grayson left?

Both in terms of the standard of football and actually in terms of getting in the play offs?

For me there is a theme that when our managers play to our strengths and what our players abilities we do well.

When our manager's inevitably start over thinking the opposition, things go badly, very quickly.

I fully understood the approach at Leicester and even applauded them off the pitch, despite a pummelling.

However, despite changing things at half time on Wednesday, Lowe reverted to the set up at Hull and with respect to themz it is a game we should be aiming to win.

I am perplexed that he believes Woodburn & Brady are the type of players to bring on when we needed a goal.

At times last season I felt that Ryan's lack of flexibility was costing us but felt that after the first few games this season he was starting to grasp what a club like PNE need to do in this league.

Sadly though I feel he will never quite be tactically good enough at this level, I am not sure we will get back into the top six for a consistent period again this season.

I beleive that our squad is better than recent results indicate.

I do of course hope I am wrong and he can get us back on track on Saturday, which for me now is a must win to prevent a long hard winter.
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Unfortunately for us Ryan sets us up more often than not in a defensive mode, we allow the opposition the majority of possession, we defend far to deep, we play with a defensive back five and two deep lying defensive central midfielders.
The main aim seemingly not to concede,when we have possession we are slow and predictable and create few scoring chances.
Will RL change in this approach,his approach to games and giving the opposition far too much respect,instead of allowing them to worry about our formation and attacking threat.
I don't for one think he will, he is far too stubborn and believes in his system ,tactics and formation,he has rarely changed since his arrival,despite a large change in attacking and creative players.🤔
 
Naughton's moustache said:
Yes there were times when under Grayson, we would sit back an try an defend a lead.
That is the difference though.
We'd have a lead!!
You'd have to win your individual battles in a Grayson side an earn the right to play
I don't really see that in the current set up barring the likes of Ched.
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We definitely had a bigger desire to get three points under Grayson than the current manager.

Grayson set us up to be very solid, with proper defenders on the pitch, and let the players at the top end of the pitch do what they wanted (Robinson, McGeady, Reach etc).

Now we have a manager who screams at Mads for daring to show some creativity.
 
Tugg Speedman said:
Perhaps. However, it's common sense that it's much more difficult to play a fast paced attacking game with players who lack pace. Actually I would say it's nigh on impossible.

We were discussing attacking at pace here. Awareness & quick thinking (speed of thought) might help, but it will not result in being able to attack at pace.

Philogene murdered us on Saturday with his pace (and with his flair and speed of thought) much the same way as he did last season when he was on loan at Cardiff. Other players this season at other clubs have done the same. Perhaps because our defenders are so slow, so it makes things look even worse.

Not disputing that our manager sets us up negatively, so not sure why you're mentioning that.

Would love us to play a fast paced attacking game, but don't believe that we have the players to do it.
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Relevance of mentioning RL concentrating mostly on defensive solidity - he consequently focuses far too little on the attacking side of the game and so we’ll never see any consistency in effective attacking play, our defence will be under almost constant pressure in games with the obvious result of lots of goals conceded and few scored.

I agree that apart from maybe Millar, Osmajic and Riis we lack lightening pace but that shouldn’t stop us from being an effective attacking team. THE thing that will always stop that is RL’s insistence on focussing mostly upon defensive solidity at the expense of attacking play. He typically plays with just three attackers one being an isolated striker.

If RL lacks the ability to mould this squad into an effective team despite the undoubted talent at his disposal - solid in defence and creative and effective in attack - then I hope the Board will replace him with someone more capable ASAP to make the most of their significant investment and the subsequent resurgence of interest amongst the supporters.

Feeling positive/hopeful that this season and the exciting players signed in the summer won’t be wasted.
 
26-0 said:
“Pace” isn’t all about the sprint speeds of each player though is it.

It’s about the alertness, awareness and quick thinking of the players, the repetition of drills to hone quick attacking play, positive messages to the players that the coaches believe in them, good organisation by the coaches and players and much more. Quick thinking, intelligent movement and slick passing are the things that we should expect the manager to get his team producing. Entertainment and goal chances.

The reason we don’t attack with pace is because the manager chooses to drill the players in defensive play and sets them up virtually every time with a back 5 and 2 deep holding midfielders. There’s no proper attacking plan nor the bodies to do it. He prefers to keep our attacking talent on the bench.
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Ipswich are not massively blessed with pace.

But they're blessed with what you have just described.

Lack of pace at wingback and CB is what is costing us.
 
Bobbage said:
No other manager in PNE's history has brought on a £2.3million striker and tried playing him on the right wing, that's for certain!

Whether something got lost in translation or Osmajic said "fuck that for a game of soldiers" when that didn't work we ended up with a 34yr old target man and Ben Woodburn playing as the two number 10s in a box midfield while chasing the game yesterday!!!

Utterly ridiculous!
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You have to seriously question a managers competency when he is bringing Woodburn and Brady on to try and get something from the game, 2 players who have been very poor during Lowe's tenure here and ones that are not fan favourites. As soon as they were coming on it was game over, no pace, no flair, no attacking impetus to take the game to the opposition when we needed to, it should have been Mads and Stewart.

Lowe lost me for now and I'm sure a few others when he brought those 2 on.
 
Wisemen say said:
Unfortunately for us Ryan sets us up more often than not in a defensive mode, we allow the opposition the majority of possession, we defend far to deep, we play with a defensive back five and two deep lying defensive central midfielders.
The main aim seemingly not to concede,when we have possession we are slow and predictable and create few scoring chances.
Will RL change in this approach,his approach to games and giving the opposition far too much respect,instead of allowing them to worry about our formation and attacking threat.
I don't for one think he will, he is far too stubborn and believes in his system ,tactics and formation,he has rarely changed since his arrival,despite a large change in attacking and creative players.🤔
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He’s morphed into another Alex Neill
 
Ron Burgundy said:
As soon as they were coming on it was game over, no pace, no flair, no attacking impetus to take the game to the opposition when we needed to, it should have been Mads and Stewart.

Lowe lost me for now and I'm sure a few others when he brought those 2 on.
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Who?

The million pound Olosunde?
 
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