Is Lowe evolving?

[york white]

Cov were well beat and WBA are looking pretty ruthless away from home at the moment.

 

[york white]

In fact, if we beat Cov on Saturday then come Sunday lunchtime I can see Lowe being the longest serving manager in the Champ.

 

[Libertine]

Self preservation which you don't need to really worry about when you're playing

I'd say trusting our defence that constantly backs off any player with attacking intent with the ball at their feet isn't going to help his self-preservation.

 

[llanroc]

In fact, if we beat Cov on Saturday then come Sunday lunchtime I can see Lowe being the longest serving manager in the Champ.

In the past, we‘ve had a habit of kickstarting someone’s season, so I’m expecting Coventry to come and smash us.

 

[Warton PNE]

If you break it down to its simplest form, this was before RL came to some extent, but has become patently obvious during RLs tenure, with the odd (very rare) exception:

We get comfortably beaten by top 6 teams
We narrowly lose or draw to upper mid-table teams
We narrowly beat or draw with lower mid-table teams
We comfortably beat bottom 6 teams

That is the epitome of a mid-table team and thats exactly what we are and have been for a number of years

What will change this ?
Will RL be able to 'evolve' and learn to change this ?
If YES how long do we give him ?
Would a new manager be able to change this ?
Could a new manager take us further away from this if the wrong guy is chosen ?
Would further investment change this ?
Is this sustainable ?
Do we want to change this ?

Like I say I've over simplified a bit but when you look into it its surprising how often the above does happen

Even though I agree with your points, as a North End fan, I have come to have an understanding that we will never be anything other than a mid-table Championship club (until ownership changes). We may flirt with the play offs at points in the season, but the reality is, we will finish anywhere between 11th and 18th almost every season.

We could be worse off than mid-table in the Championship, so I have to look at the positives. But my real issue is I get no entertainment whatsover from watching this team. I haven't since Alex Neil's first two seasons. It has been boring, tedious, lethargic crap and if I'm honest, I am completely fed up with it.

I wouldn't be bothered as much about finishing in midtable if there was a clear plan and vision in place about how we were going to play and how we were going to have a go at the Top 6. However, year on year, I fail to see that and its simply if the club are happy to avoid relegation, pocket the money and go again the next season.

I just want attacking football, something that will get me off my seat. Against Millwall I barely even moved. It was one of the shittiest games of football I have ever watched. I know we have limited resources compared to other clubs, but that doesn't mean we can't atleast try and play a 'brand of football'.

 

[superalexbruce]

If anyone knew the answer, we'd have been promoted years ago.
To be completely honest, unless we have a freak season I can't see us being promoted in my lifetime. Depressing!
The Championship is awash wilth bigger, better supported clubs that dip in and out of the Premier League and benefit from the parachute payments that come with it.
That said, Brentford who were out of the top flight almost as long as us made it as have similar sized clubs. The frustrating thing is seeing the Luton Town's of this world getting to the Prem within ten years? of being non League.
Even feckin Blackpool and don't get me started on Bournemouth
Brighton didn't have a ground of their own that very long ago.
😢😢

And all have one thing in common, quality coaching with a system of play that suits the players they have. Playing in their rightful positions and being happy doing so. It’s that simple to me.

 

[Mr. M]

So what is the system of play that we are capable of playing most effectively? None of our starting XI defenders have any pace or passing ability whatsoever.

If the base of your team cannot run or pass and sit very deep how do you expect to have a brand of attacking football? The base is so deep - it pulls the rest of the team so far back and the build up is so slow because of this.

Need a defensive overhaul to even contemplate playing more attacking football.

 

[bkfu76]

So what is the system of play that we are capable of playing most effectively? None of our starting XI defenders have any pace or passing ability whatsoever.

If the base of your team cannot run or pass and sit very deep how do you expect to have a brand of attacking football? The base is so deep - it pulls the rest of the team so far back and the build up is so slow because of this.

Need a defensive overhaul to even contemplate playing more attacking football.

We need to setup and play as we did against Southampton on the front foot and pressing as a team

 

[Mr. M]

I would like that and as fans we would appreciate that level of effort and application every week. Taking the shackles off is imperative for an upturn in performance.

Too negative in the setup - let's showcase the attacking talents we have 🙂

 

[OB1]

We need to setup and play as we did against Southampton on the front foot and pressing as a team

That only works when you’re playing a team that want to have the ball because it’s the easy style to coach against. Lowe has no idea how to set us up when we have the ball

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We need to setup and play as we did against Southampton on the front foot and pressing as a team

Southampton play an open expansive passing style of football which allows you to play the football we did.

What do we do when teams come and put 10 men behind the ball?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

That only works when you’re playing a team that want to have the ball because it’s the easy style to coach against. Lowe has no idea how to set us up when we have the ball

I think he potentially does, he just doesn't have the defence to coach to do anything with the ball.

Lindsay and Storey have shown they're incredibly L1 recently.

 

[OB1]

I think he potentially does, he just doesn't have the defence to coach to do anything with the ball.

Lindsay and Storey have shown they're incredibly L1 recently.

There’s still enough ahead of them to score more than we currently do. We’re coached to play it safe and go long rather than taking risks

 

[Schemer]

So what is the system of play that we are capable of playing most effectively? None of our starting XI defenders have any pace or passing ability whatsoever.

If the base of your team cannot run or pass and sit very deep how do you expect to have a brand of attacking football? The base is so deep - it pulls the rest of the team so far back and the build up is so slow because of this.

Need a defensive overhaul to even contemplate playing more attacking football.

Storey proved against Millwall, with his surging run that enabled Keane to set up Frøkjær to score, that he can do this, although granted, he doesn't do it often enough.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There’s still enough ahead of them to score more than we currently do. We’re coached to play it safe and go long rather than taking risks

A Rovers fan who I discuss PNE made a good point to me, how many of our team would be wanted by the top 10 considered teams in the league? If we're being honest?

Whiteman maybe, Browne yes, Woodman yes and thats about it for me which is quite telling.

Would many of our regulars go to other teams in the top 10 and improve them?

 

[Libertine]

A Rovers fan who I discuss PNE made a good point to me, how many of our team would be wanted by the top 10 considered teams in the league? If we're being honest?

Whiteman maybe, Browne yes, Woodman yes and thats about it for me which is quite telling.

Would many of our regulars go to other teams in the top 10 and improve them?

Club of our size will never have a load of players that other teams in the same division want. What we need to do is nurture a team unit from a group of average players for the level and maybe a couple a bit above that. If we are ever to get promotion it will be on the back of a brilliant team ethic, some decent players in key positions AND a fairly large slice of fortune. Looking at our squad now I'd say that's what we probably have.

I know it hurts to think about it but like it or not that's what the lashers had in 09/10.

 

[OB1]

A Rovers fan who I discuss PNE made a good point to me, how many of our team would be wanted by the top 10 considered teams in the league? If we're being honest?

Whiteman maybe, Browne yes, Woodman yes and thats about it for me which is quite telling.

Would many of our regulars go to other teams in the top 10 and improve them?

My response to that is how many of Luton’s team would’ve been wanted by Top 10 sides before the start of last season?

Just because they aren’t flashy names doesn’t mean a quality tactical coach can’t put them in the playoffs. Which is what I’ve said throughout Lowe’s tenure, he’s not shrewd enough to take a small club higher

 

[noelpne]

Storey proved against Millwall, with his surging run that enabled Keane to set up Frøkjær to score, that he can do this, although granted, he doesn't do it often enough.

I can't honestly remember every seeing him with such a run before then. I remember thinking , before the goal "Great, but is Lowe going to give him a bollocking ?"

 

[Ron Burgundy]

My response to that is how many of Luton’s team would’ve been wanted by Top 10 sides before the start of last season?

Just because they aren’t flashy names doesn’t mean a quality tactical coach can’t put them in the playoffs. Which is what I’ve said throughout Lowe’s tenure, he’s not shrewd enough to take a small club higher

Can I have your number mate and plug you into the whatts app group?

Very good points though.

 

[SF]

Storey proved against Millwall, with his surging run that enabled Keane to set up Frøkjær to score, that he can do this, although granted, he doesn't do it often enough.

He's done it once in his life I think, never mind often.