It's simple really

[SMURF]

Reading these boards over the last few weeks especially is depressing. We all though have one common denominator PNE.
All it needs is for 11 players to go out on that pitch and play with passion and determination. Get the ball down, play quick, attacking football.
I don't think that is too much to ask for as supporters
Something we can get behind and support. Win lose or draw I feel if the public could see that effort and desire they would return and back the team.
How we do that is the BIG question but that is what is needed right now IMHO.
If your going down at least go down fighting ( in the game not necessarily the division)

 

[MBcha]

While I can see that a change in footballing style might be enough for some supporters, personally that wouldn't be enough. I want to see an infrastructure within the club and a clear strategy of how we will make progress going forwards. Without that, for me at least, apathy reigns.

 

[OB1]

While I can see that a change in footballing style might be enough for some supporters, personally that wouldn't be enough. I want to see an infrastructure within the club and a clear strategy of how we will make progress going forwards. Without that, for me at least, apathy reigns.

The style would go a good way for me to at least enjoy going to Deepdale. It wouldn’t fix any of the wider issues, but at least for that 90 minutes we’d be able to focus on just the team

Now, I’m left bored and resentful because it feels like a waste of time (even if we win) which just breeds more toxicity towards the club

 

[SMURF]

I pay my money and I want to be entertained. Simple as that.

 

[Thracia]

Not convinced Frankie is capable of coaching a get-the-ball-down, quick attacking style of play.

Everything about his game is hoofed in the air, or slow and ponderous.

We're asked to enjoy a couple of quick counter-attacks per game if we're lucky.

 

[Tino]

Reading these boards over the last few weeks especially is depressing. We all though have one common denominator PNE.
All it needs is for 11 players to go out on that pitch and play with passion and determination. Get the ball down, play quick, attacking football.
I don't think that is too much to ask for as supporters
Something we can get behind and support. Win lose or draw I feel if the public could see that effort and desire they would return and back the team.
How we do that is the BIG question but that is what is needed right now IMHO.
If your going down at least go down fighting ( in the game not necessarily the division)

This is an over simplistic view. It's not win lose or draw as long as it's entertaining. Ferguson set us up to attack but it wasn't very entertaining to see goals flying in at the other end and us losing games.

Winning games is the key thing, with a structure in place and some sort of consistent performance - and not just 15/20 minutes here and there which might be enough to get a goal which we can then defend.

Sometimes it will entertain, sometimes it won't, that's life and is the case for probably 90 teams in the league.

 

[Malcy16]

What I believe is needed*
(* from a non-football expert serving 3 months as manager of Peterborough United on Football Manager 2011 before getting sacked)

I'd love to see the football style improved and to play more attractive/attacking football and more interesting to watch - Whether or not that'll make us zoom up the table remains to be seen.
In terms of the behind the scenes stuff - I want a clear club strategy that shows the powers that be actually give a shit rather than the patronising statements made by PR. I'm quite fragile when it comes to wording in statements and messages to myself but they really wind me up when I think it sounds patronising!

If the club had a clear strategy that reflected with the staff, players, club and supporters then we can all understand together what we are aiming to do. By telling fans we have Premier League ambitions and signing players and have a certain play style which appears to aim for Championship survival creates confusion and anger from the supporters and rightly so. The club have created a objective which all us supporters were led to believe we were going for (that being the Premier League) yet we are left looking stupid when we don't appear to be ambitious at all.

An example football club which was mentioned on FTF podcast was Brentford. I believe they got promoted the year before us from League One to the Championship. You understood their ambition and plan, they sold the young players for a profit and reinvested the money into the squad and improved the club facilities in a new stadium (whether you agree with them leaving Griffin Park or not). One of the examples when they sold Ollie Watkins and Saïd Benrahma they reinvested signing Ivan Toney who has done brilliantly for them.

So in summary
- More attractive football to watch
- Clear club strategy which is realistic and understood by the club, staff, team and supporters.

 

[raefil]

How I hate the international breaks.

I know of a couple of regular posters who are taking a short sabbatical as they can no longer stand the repetitive negativity.

 

[Thracia]

How I hate the international breaks.

I know of a couple of regular posters who are taking a short sabbatical as they can no longer stand the repetitive negativity.

Good idea. Six months should do it.

 

[beagleman]

In the Baxi days there was a never ending supply of hope and positives.. Hey ho

 

[SMURF]

This is an over simplistic view. It's not win lose or draw as long as it's entertaining. Ferguson set us up to attack but it wasn't very entertaining to see goals flying in at the other end and us losing games.

Winning games is the key thing, with a structure in place and some sort of consistent performance - and not just 15/20 minutes here and there which might be enough to get a goal which we can then defend.

Sometimes it will entertain, sometimes it won't, that's life and is the case for probably 90 teams in the league.

Of course it's over simplistic as per the title but if we are going to lose would you prefer the style we saw losing 2-0 at scumpool and 3-0 at forest or to go down 3-2 at least trying to win and have the crowd willing you on cos at least they can see the team is trying ?
Me I prefer the latter, I'm sick of the lack of effort and determination shown on far too many occasions.
Like most on here I have no idea if they are sent out to play like that or if they just can't raise the effort themselves. I just want a change of philosophy/style on the pitch

 

[Ando60]

This is an over simplistic view. It's not win lose or draw as long as it's entertaining. Ferguson set us up to attack but it wasn't very entertaining to see goals flying in at the other end and us losing games.

Winning games is the key thing, with a structure in place and some sort of consistent performance - and not just 15/20 minutes here and there which might be enough to get a goal which we can then defend.

Sometimes it will entertain, sometimes it won't, that's life and is the case for probably 90 teams in the league.

Yeah, I remember once we were 3-1 up ( to Palace ) with 18 minutes left and lost 3-4….

Great for the neutrals but not much fun for diehard Nobbers….

 

[bobbydavro]

don't think what the OP is asking for is achievable with the current manager. You will get odd times but in the whole his focus is very much don't get beat, not attacking football.

 

[lenny]

How I hate the international breaks.

I know of a couple of regular posters who are taking a short sabbatical as they can no longer stand the repetitive negativity.

I didn’t Know Peter and Frankie posted on here 😱

 

[Baldygit]

This is an over simplistic view. It's not win lose or draw as long as it's entertaining. Ferguson set us up to attack but it wasn't very entertaining to see goals flying in at the other end and us losing games.

Winning games is the key thing, with a structure in place and some sort of consistent performance - and not just 15/20 minutes here and there which might be enough to get a goal which we can then defend.

Sometimes it will entertain, sometimes it won't, that's life and is the case for probably 90 teams in the league.

The trouble is Frankie sets the team up to defend a 0-0 draw or even a 1-0 loss

 

[MattPNE17]

Win, lose or draw - feeling like we have an identity that I can resonate with is the most important thing for me.

Derby, for example. Despite their off-pitch situation, Rooney had Derby playing some quite interesting stuff and there was a clear system on display from them whilst they had the ball - 4231, the fullbacks have licence to bomb on and run with the ball, right up alongside their striker who leads the line but occasionally comes deep, attacking midfielders interchanging and rotating along with a deep-lying playmaker, defensive midfielders dropping in between centre halves to progress the ball from the back/coming out wide to cover the fullbacks when they've gone forward.

Not to say I think that this is unique football, but it's the kind of thing you see in the Premier League, where Rooney spent virtually all of his career. Therefore, his hallmark is on that team, that's how they play.

So, PNE under McAvoy - 532, get it in the box with a long-throw if we get one within reach of their penalty area... and there is nothing else to our tactics in terms of getting us into a position to do something ourselves.

We now don't seem to have any idea of how to build up play or create openings, and so we don't risk rotating or advancing positionally when we have the ball so that we are as well-placed as possible if/when we lose it to defend. Yet, these are largely the same players (barring a few major depatures) that were with us when we pushed for the playoffs, playing a style of football that struggled more with chance conversion, not creation.

PNE is a dinosaur, in every sense of the word and at every level of management.

 

[LostinSpace]

What’s simple to me is that everyone “knows” what’s best. Problem is there’s countless different answers.

 

[Dreyfuss]

What’s simple to me is that everyone “knows” what’s best. Problem is there’s countless different answers.

I think most of us know what we don't want, more than we know what's for the 'best'.

I'd like to see more football played on the deck and more chances created from open play. But I kinda know under Frankie, that's not ever really gonna work out well.

Cos, when you look at the stats certainly away from home, the more possession we have the less we score.

Nottm Forest (60%), Blackpool (52%), Birmingham (50%), Bristol (50%), Huddersfield (52%), Reading (57%).

Six away games with 50% or more possession. One goal scored. Two points.

Bournemouth (38%), QPR (43%), Sheff Utd (37%).

Three away games with much less possession. Six goals scored. Four points.

We had 568 passes against Nottm Forest. Highest of the season for us. And bar Potts' balloon shot, I am not sure what else we created.

We saw a similar issue under Alex Neil too, where when teams didn't play possession football we really struggled both home and away.

So yes, while I want to watch a better standard of football, I appreciate what's 'best' for Frankie is to seemingly keep banging the ball long.

I think the club would have to adopt an ethos of trying to play either an attractive style of play, or at least one that creates in the final third, in order to see any development in playing style.

We saw Swansea look absolutely terrible at Deepdale when Russel Martin had just took over, but he's turned things around since then. He is fully committed to possession football as far as I know.

And whilst we have super Iverson in nets, I just don't think we have the defenders to keep enough clean sheets, if we are only ever gonna create 1 or maybe 2 good chances per game

 

[RibbletonWhite]

Win, lose or draw - feeling like we have an identity that I can resonate with is the most important thing for me.

Derby, for example. Despite their off-pitch situation, Rooney had Derby playing some quite interesting stuff and there was a clear system on display from them whilst they had the ball - 4231, the fullbacks have licence to bomb on and run with the ball, right up alongside their striker who leads the line but occasionally comes deep, attacking midfielders interchanging and rotating along with a deep-lying playmaker, defensive midfielders dropping in between centre halves to progress the ball from the back/coming out wide to cover the fullbacks when they've gone forward.

Not to say I think that this is unique football, but it's the kind of thing you see in the Premier League, where Rooney spent virtually all of his career. Therefore, his hallmark is on that team, that's how they play.

So, PNE under McAvoy - 532, get it in the box with a long-throw if we get one within reach of their penalty area... and there is nothing else to our tactics in terms of getting us into a position to do something ourselves.

We now don't seem to have any idea of how to build up play or create openings, and so we don't risk rotating or advancing positionally when we have the ball so that we are as well-placed as possible if/when we lose it to defend. Yet, these are largely the same players (barring a few major depatures) that were with us when we pushed for the playoffs, playing a style of football that struggled more with chance conversion, not creation.

PNE is a dinosaur, in every sense of the word and at every level of management.

They played really well v us did Derby but Derby are very much a defence first team. Just look at their results. Think they have only scored twice in a match two or three times this season. Most games are low scoring. Haven’t scored three and have only scored 14 league goals.

Now im not saying we are much better but if we was going to aspire to play a certain style of football Derby would be bottom of my list.

 

[Dreyfuss]

Win, lose or draw - feeling like we have an identity that I can resonate with is the most important thing for me.

Derby, for example. Despite their off-pitch situation, Rooney had Derby playing some quite interesting stuff and there was a clear system on display from them whilst they had the ball - 4231, the fullbacks have licence to bomb on and run with the ball, right up alongside their striker who leads the line but occasionally comes deep, attacking midfielders interchanging and rotating along with a deep-lying playmaker, defensive midfielders dropping in between centre halves to progress the ball from the back/coming out wide to cover the fullbacks when they've gone forward.

Not to say I think that this is unique football, but it's the kind of thing you see in the Premier League, where Rooney spent virtually all of his career. Therefore, his hallmark is on that team, that's how they play.

So, PNE under McAvoy - 532, get it in the box with a long-throw if we get one within reach of their penalty area... and there is nothing else to our tactics in terms of getting us into a position to do something ourselves.

We now don't seem to have any idea of how to build up play or create openings, and so we don't risk rotating or advancing positionally when we have the ball so that we are as well-placed as possible if/when we lose it to defend. Yet, these are largely the same players (barring a few major depatures) that were with us when we pushed for the playoffs, playing a style of football that struggled more with chance conversion, not creation.

PNE is a dinosaur, in every sense of the word and at every level of management.

They played really well v us did Derby but Derby are very much a defence first team. Just look at their results. Think they have only scored twice in a match two or three times this season. Most games are low scoring. Haven’t scored three and have only scored 14 league goals.

Now im not saying we are much better but if we was going to aspire to play a certain style of football Derby would be bottom of my list.

For large spells in our game vs Derby they passed us off the park and looked really inventive. They had 537 passes to our 319. 62% possession. 18 shots to our 7. Drew 0-0.

But the week before Derby played Swansea at home and had only 24% possession with 242 passes versus Swansea's 763! And 5 shots to their 17. But still drew 0-0 in that game too.

Whilst Derby under Rooney do prefer to have the ball and keep possession, they have had generally better results versus teams who also like to maintain possession of the ball.

It all depends which two teams are playing one another. North End went to Bournemouth, had 38% possession, 354 passes to Bournemouth's 548 but we won 2-1.

One week later Swansea go to Bournemouth, enjoy 60% of possession, 513 passes to Bournemouth's 311, but only 7 shots to Bournemouth's 16. Swansea got spanked 4-0.

But, a team like Bournemouth are dangerous with or without the ball. They'll create a lot of chances but often allow the opposition a lot of chances too. It's a more expansive and open style of play. And generally cos they have better players, they come out with positive results.

And the shot volume stat is one key indicator where we often come unstuck. In only 4 out of the 17 league games so far, have we had more shots than the opposition.

Those 4 games were Vs Luton, Coventry, Swansea & Peterborough. All were PNE home wins.

In too many games we just don't create enough goal scoring chances (or allow the opposition too many) to come out with three points.