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It is also understood the Preston players were unable to wear the shirts last week because none had been left in their dressing room by Reading staff.
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Very odd comment. Who else should try and solve the problem of racism in football?
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Trying to eradicate racism from Football is not a political campaign.
It's also completely fruitless, unless extremely harsh sanctions are introduced then it will remain the same. There will always be utter cunts who attend football matches and don't like black people. The only way to stop it completely is if everyone in the vicinity who hears any racial abuse bands together and twats the person who does it.
Racial abuse is totally unacceptable in any context and football clubs, authorities and fans should always seek to oppose it and people found to indulge in it should suffer penalties. 'Racism' is a sectarian ideological concept that sees such abuse as inevitably directed by a 'majority' against various 'minorities' and as somehow 'institutionalised' in society at large. The 'anti-racism' that claims to oppose it is I think all too often concerned with inventing it in order to justify itself. I might add that some time back I brought a couple of friends of mine up from London to watch PNE at our place - a married couple of whom she is 'black' and he is 'white' and they both commented on how easy going and friendly our ground and the people in it were. That is something I am proud of but without going into details I also know that what people describe as 'anti-racism' can easily become a form of witch hunting so it is something I am guarded about.
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This weekend alone there were 3/4 different reports of players being racially abused. Just because you've never seen or heard it at Deepdale (I haven't either, thankfully) doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Kick it out isn't a political agenda in anyway, neither is the rainbow laces campaign in support of the LGBT+ movement.
Anything that promotes equality and acceptance is a good thing, and having a platform as big as football for this is amazing.
I said quite plainly that racial abuse is always unacceptable and that if it occurs at a football match then clubs, fans and the relevant authorities should seek to stop it.
I am afraid the 'rainbow laces' campaign is highly sectarian and about promoting a deeply partisan and increasingly authoritarian agenda. Which bit of the 'LGBT' movement do you support when lesbian women - just like non-lesbian women - say they do not want men who claim to be women sharing changing rooms and competing against them in sporting events. They often find they do not get much 'acceptance' for their views from people who claim to be 'tolerant'. Not saying that is how you are but the 'LGBT' movement can be very intolerant and coercive especially when some of its own contradictions are highlighted and if I were a professional footballer asked to wear rainbow laces I would refuse even if that meant being dropped. By the way before you ask yes I do have 'gay' friends and I am perfectly well aware that gay people have suffered from prejudice in the past. Indeed I once spent a week-end on what felt like a suicide watch for a gay friend falsely accused of a sexual misdemeanour when the authorities were prepared to 'fit up' people for such offences. But some elements of the modern 'LGBT' movement are, frankly, no better. Anyhow that I all I will say on this. As of now I am focussed on tomorrow's match.
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With all the CCTV at grounds these days surely it can't be that difficult to find the culprits.
If its low level abuse then use a layered banning system.
If its very abusive and a player is very offended by it then launch criminal proceedings against them.
Black players seem to be sick of all the talk and want some action taken.
If its low level abuse then use a layered banning system.
If its very abusive and a player is very offended by it then launch criminal proceedings against them.
Black players seem to be sick of all the talk and want some action taken.
I think what you're doing here is mistaking an extreme view held by a small group who identify as LGBT+, which I agree can be unreasonable (eg. Trans exclusionary feminists) for the wider movement.
Rainbow laces doesn't represent those groups anymore than it represents any other movement. All it aims to do is remove the stigma, which still wrongly prevails in the football community, for any and all people of all identities. Wearing rainbow laces isn't representing those who believe transwomen are still men any more than it is representing those transpeople who demand access to changing rooms or toilets or whatever. Both of those are controversial views that the LGBT+ community remains divided on.
Rainbow laces only seeks to help make footballers and football fans feels safe to be open about who they are, as you must admit it's worrying that there isn't a single openly gay English footballer playing on this country (I may be mistaken here but I'm not sure if anything has changed since last I checked)
The same is true with kick it out. Neither is pushing any agenda other than preventing harmful abuse and helping to make football a safer, now accepting place.
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It's so difficult. I certainly don't blame black players for wanting action to be taken in relation to the horrendous racism that we still sometimes see (though I guess it's 25 or 30 years since I noticed any overt racism at Deepdale). The huge difficulty is that finding the individuals involved seems difficult... and the only way to take high-profile effective action will probably involve punishing masses of innocents along with the guilty - and probably also affecting the sporting integrity of the competition (e.g. throwing teams out / points deductions... even playing behind closed-doors affects the competition). So it's going to be such a difficult task to find the appropriate action... but something's got to happen.
As for ernest's political stand against LGBT, the whole gender issue in women's sport is hardly political. It's another massively difficult conundrum - where common sense says that a testosterone-fueled person has a massive advantage over a more "traditional" woman athlete - and you've even got the potential for one individual to dominate a sport for a decade because of that (even if their testosterone levels are controlled by drugs). Somehow, that can't be allowed to happen. Maybe it unfortunately means that people who are born with 'mixed-gender', or transgender simply aren't able to compete in elite sport. Maybe there's a better solution... but I can't see an easy one.
As for ernest's political stand against LGBT, the whole gender issue in women's sport is hardly political. It's another massively difficult conundrum - where common sense says that a testosterone-fueled person has a massive advantage over a more "traditional" woman athlete - and you've even got the potential for one individual to dominate a sport for a decade because of that (even if their testosterone levels are controlled by drugs). Somehow, that can't be allowed to happen. Maybe it unfortunately means that people who are born with 'mixed-gender', or transgender simply aren't able to compete in elite sport. Maybe there's a better solution... but I can't see an easy one.
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What is ridiculous on the LGBT front is that, if I remember an interview with John Barnes correctly (last week on 5Live), he said that not one footballer had come out at the top level in the UK. He said there were two in Germany, one in Australia... and I think one, or maybe a handful, in the USA.
How ridiculous is it that you can go round the whole ("western") world and count the number of current openly gay players on your fingers?! He also asked the question how many gay players there were in other contact sports. Also apparently almost none! So we really shouldn't be having a go at football here.
On racism, Barnes said that there's little point in tackling racism in football - because racist will always find a way. Even if it's just booing only black players... because you can't ban booing. He said (perhaps for effect)... forget all that... we need to tackle the root cause of racism and homophobia in football - and that's racism and homophobia in society.
How ridiculous is it that you can go round the whole ("western") world and count the number of current openly gay players on your fingers?! He also asked the question how many gay players there were in other contact sports. Also apparently almost none! So we really shouldn't be having a go at football here.
On racism, Barnes said that there's little point in tackling racism in football - because racist will always find a way. Even if it's just booing only black players... because you can't ban booing. He said (perhaps for effect)... forget all that... we need to tackle the root cause of racism and homophobia in football - and that's racism and homophobia in society.
I think you have the right of it in that last paragraph, however to can't call discrimination in society the cause and racism and homophobia in society the symptom. It's just not that cut and dry.
I'd argue that racism and homophobia on football is also a cause of discrimination in wider society, and vice versa. It normalises it in an environment full of kids and impressionable people, who then grow up thinking it's on and slowly it leaks out into wider society.
It's almost impossible to tackle racism and homophobia in wider society sadly, the best way to stop it is to tackle it on these microcosms. Football, other sports, schools, and the media, and then hope that it prevents the growth and spread of discrimination. That's why kick it out and rainbow laces are so important to their respective movements.
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Hard to ignore that conclusion. But I would say that as I was growing up, the main source of mass racism I was exposed to was sport, and football in particular. Sport has a large impact on society and should take a leading role in combating it. It just isn't acceptable to sit on its hands and say "its societies problem".
Quite simply, anyone caught should be jailed for 2 years.
This would soon put a stop to the morons.
With regards mass crowd chanting, then the club(s) should either be kicked out of the Cup they are in with a 3 year Ban (like fans get 3 year Bans for various crimes) or if it is a League game, deducted 25 points.
Again, this would soon put a stop to it.
Will it ever happen? Don't hold your breath. The authorities are scared of upsetting the big clubs.
This would soon put a stop to the morons.
With regards mass crowd chanting, then the club(s) should either be kicked out of the Cup they are in with a 3 year Ban (like fans get 3 year Bans for various crimes) or if it is a League game, deducted 25 points.
Again, this would soon put a stop to it.
Will it ever happen? Don't hold your breath. The authorities are scared of upsetting the big clubs.
With regards posts about Gay Players, who really cares whether someone is Gay or not? Only the moronic bigots.
What people want to do privately is their own free choice. If a Preston player came out as being Gay, he would have my 100% backing. We are in 2019, not 1919.
How many of your favourite Actors, Actresses, Singers, etc are gay? Exactly and we still love and admire them. Would exactly be the same for that 1st Footballer for the vast majority.
Commercially speaking, I am surprised that nobody has yet taken that plunge.
What people want to do privately is their own free choice. If a Preston player came out as being Gay, he would have my 100% backing. We are in 2019, not 1919.
How many of your favourite Actors, Actresses, Singers, etc are gay? Exactly and we still love and admire them. Would exactly be the same for that 1st Footballer for the vast majority.
Commercially speaking, I am surprised that nobody has yet taken that plunge.
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Totally agree with all of that Jack who cares in this day and age . Football on the whole needs to get with it though there are many rugby players who have come out as gay including teams who actually highlight they are gay teams. No one cares and why should they its a game for gods sake .
Unfortunately homophobia and racism are types of bullying. It is a continuation of playground mentality when the strong pick on the weak for being different. Instead of being bullied for being fat, small, clever, pretty etc etc it is using petty, offensive vocabulary to demean people with no understanding, empathy or regard for other’s feelings. We are all on a continuum,