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Lesson for Lowe

Lesson for Lowe

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65on

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Burnley showed Lowe what fast,flowing, attacking football is. Will he learn from it ? I doubt it. His interpretation is the opposite. It might work in the lower leagues but not at this level. Will he accept it as fact? Not a chance. I don't mind procession football so long as you make progress up the pitch. We don't, we are happy to make a dozen passes and let the opposition get their players behind the ball. Then back it goes to Freddie who lumps it forward to make it a 50/50 ball.
Lowe needs to learn from recent lessons taught and fast. Will he? Don't hold your breath.
 
65on said:
Burnley showed Lowe what fast,flowing, attacking football is. Will he learn from it ? I doubt it. His interpretation is the opposite. It might work in the lower leagues but not at this level. Will he accept it as fact? Not a chance. I don't mind procession football so long as you make progress up the pitch. We don't, we are happy to make a dozen passes and let the opposition get their players behind the ball. Then back it goes to Freddie who lumps it forward to make it a 50/50 ball.
Lowe needs to learn from recent lessons taught and fast. Will he? Don't hold your breath.
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Good football players usually cost good money.

Yes, we're shit under Lowe, but you can't just go 'look at them lads, they're good and cost millions, do what they do'
 
I think PNE fans need to decide what they want. I've heard the 'boring style of football...sack him' argument too often across the last three managers.

It's easy to get misty eyed about the Billy Davies era but in truth Billy didn't reinvent the wheel. There was nothing particularly new or exciting about the brand. It was physical and pragmatic but it worked and we just fucking won. Jason Jarrett would take the place of more gifted players cause he grafted. Davies had no 'connection' with the fans. He was abrasive and arrogant in interviews but he gave us our respect back and we loved him for that. We loved him because we always felt like we'd win.

I want winning football. I don't give a fuck about the style. Fill the team with fucking mutants and kick teams of the pitch. If you win I don't give a shit.

This is losing football. It has no method of goalscoring about it.
 
Burnley are playing head and shoulders above everyone, I think the whole division including Heckingbottom could learn from them.

There’s no way we could play that football on our budget, it’s next level shit. Muric basically playing CDM and Zaroury spending most of his time off the pitch, coming on at the right time. High IQ stuff, explains the bonce on Kompany.
 
JK said:
No.

He believes he is playing an attacking brand of football.

No point comparing us to Burnley though there are lightyears ahead of us.
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I wasn't comparing us to just Burnley but the many teams who have out thought and out fought us. Too numerous to mention. Another fear I have is any talented youngsters we have will have their natural talent coached out of them. Disappear and re-emerge as a success elsewhere.
 
JK said:
At the moment we are showing very little of either.
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Agreed but I think fans need to decide what they are looking at.

One of the few sides over the last few years I have watched and thought, 'I could watch that style in any division and wouldn't really care about winning.' was Leeds under Bielsa. That was just football at its most pure entertainment.

We just need a manager who can create a method or two of actually winning games. I don't care about the style.
 
HunterLionheart said:
Good football players usually cost good money.

Yes, we're shit under Lowe, but you can't just go 'look at them lads, they're good and cost millions, do what they do'
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It’s worth saying that Kompany has identified the players, and set the tactics.
Would Lowe in the same circumstances sign wingers, play 433, be front foot? For me, that’s one of the big issues with his management
 
OldManWithers said:
It’s worth saying that Kompany has identified the players, and set the tactics.
Would Lowe in the same circumstances sign wingers, play 433, be front foot? For me, that’s one of the big issues with his management
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I think, honestly, that if he had the money to spend, he'd absolutely have bought quality players for the formation he wants to play, and that he'd love to be playing expansive attacking football. It was noticable as summer went on how his desires for the squad became more and more modest as the purse strings refused to open any further.

The pragmatism comes from a needs must perspective, rather than any desperate defense first idealism.
 
65on said:
...long as you make progress up the pitch. We don't, we are happy to make a dozen passes and let the opposition get their players behind the ball. Then back it goes to Freddie who lumps it forward to make it a 50/50...
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Um... Have you seen their last goal yesterday?
 
Listening to the iFollow commentary, they were amazed we didn't change our formation and play full backs against their two wingers.
They couldn't believe we kept Browne and Brady as wing backs in the second half after they struggled so much in the first 45 minutes.
Probably wouldn't have changed the result but we might have competed a bit better than we did.
 
HunterLionheart said:
I think, honestly, that if he had the money to spend, he'd absolutely have bought quality players for the formation he wants to play, and that he'd love to be playing expansive attacking football. It was noticable as summer went on how his desires for the squad became more and more modest as the purse strings refused to open any further.

The pragmatism comes from a needs must perspective, rather than any desperate defense first idealism.
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My frustration is that limited funds were not used on a genuine right back and a wide player or two. Instead we got Woodburn and two left wing backs. Meaning no adaptability, we can’t change what we do to help get results. Grayson could choose any system he wanted. Lowe is stuck
 
rikartalex said:
Listening to the iFollow commentary, they were amazed we didn't change our formation and play full backs against their two wingers.
They couldn't believe we kept Browne and Brady as wing backs in the second half after they struggled so much in the first 45 minutes.
Probably wouldn't have changed the result but we might have competed a bit better than we did.
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We don’t have two full backs

We were getting crucified with 5 defenders, going with 4 would’ve ended up 7-0

The problem was our tactical genius put all 3 centre backs on their least threatening attacker
 
65on said:
Burnley showed Lowe what fast,flowing, attacking football is. Will he learn from it ? I doubt it. His interpretation is the opposite. It might work in the lower leagues but not at this level. Will he accept it as fact? Not a chance. I don't mind procession football so long as you make progress up the pitch. We don't, we are happy to make a dozen passes and let the opposition get their players behind the ball. Then back it goes to Freddie who lumps it forward to make it a 50/50 ball.
Lowe needs to learn from recent lessons taught and fast. Will he? Don't hold your breath.
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He won’t be here long enough to learn from it. The end of Ryan Lowe has started.
 
rikartalex said:
Listening to the iFollow commentary, they were amazed we didn't change our formation and play full backs against their two wingers.
They couldn't believe we kept Browne and Brady as wing backs in the second half after they struggled so much in the first 45 minutes.
Probably wouldn't have changed the result but we might have competed a bit better than we did.
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Radio Lancs too. It all played in Burnley's hands.
 
tarantino said:
So who do we get and who would want to come?
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Exactly. I would actually like to see Lowe steer this ship around but think we will at least lose the next game and that's four in a row? There isn't an obvious candidate and given what's happened to the last three managers it's only the Phil Brown style chancers that will want a shot at this. Plus I don't see how anyone plays a back four now, we have literally no width.
 
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