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North End's Double Double

North End's Double Double

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Like all North End fans, and many non North End fans, know about our 1888-89 double winning season but it was only last week that I read about our second double.

The Football League began as normal on August 26, 1939, as war with Germany was not declared by Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain for another week. By then, Blackpool were top of the old First Division, having won their opening three games before the outbreak of hostilities and the Football League called time on the season (poor old 'pool). The war really began to hit English football teams hard as large numbers of players and staff went off to join the armed forces. Between September 1939 and thye end of the war, 784 footballers joined in the war effort via conscription. 91 men joined from Wolverhampton Wanderers, 76 from Liverpool, 65 from Huddersfield Town, 63 from Leicester City, 62 from Charlton, 55 from North End, 52 from Burnley, 50 from Sheffield Wednesday, 44 from Chelsea, 41 each from Brentford, Southampton, Sunderland and West Ham United and 1 from Norwich City.

Not only the Football League but also the FA Cup also fell victim to the conflict and was cancelled during the Second World War and thus the Football League War Cup was established, filling the void for fans.

On 21st September 1939, the British Government announced that football games would continue but not under the divisions that the game traditionally had. The government had imposed a travelling limit of 50 miles to watch football, forcing the Football League to regionalise the league and cup competitions. In the 1939-40 season, there were ten divisions established.

In the 1940-41 season the leagues were reduced in numbers to just two: the North Regional League and the South Regional League. Crystal Palace were champions of the South and Preston North End were the champions of the North. In that same season, Preston North End made it to the second final of the War Cup in 1941, a game which was dubbed by Pathé as ‘the Cup Final that wasn’t’, after beating nearby Bolton Wanderers and Bury, Manchester City, Newcastle United and, most notably, Tranmere Rovers by a scoreline of 12 goals to one. War brought with it the threat to life and limb to these shores between September 1940 and May 1941, the Germans inflicted 127 large night raids on Britain. Of these raids, 71 were targeted on London. But in the face of adversity, football carried on and Preston North End faced Arsenal on May 10 and the teams came out for the first of the eventual two match affair at a blitz-threatened Wembley Stadium together, where they were greeted on the pitch by AV Alexander, First Lord of the Admiralty.

The Lilywhites and the Gunners cancelled each other out in front of a crowd limited to 60,000 in North West London. Thanks to an assist from Tom Finney, who was yet to make his official debut, Andy McLaren opened the scoring for North End before Denis Compton equalised for Arsenal on the stroke of half time with his brother, Leslie, having missed a penalty for handball in the opening exchanges. Both sides played out a goalless, damp squib of a second half ,meaning a replay was required to settle the 1941 War Cup final.

The second encounter to settle the 1941 final took place at Ewood Park, Blackburn, on Saturday May 31, where fans were queueing as early as five hours before kick-off to secure a seat in the ground, which was sure to be packed to the rafters.In front of an eventual crowd of 45,000. North End controlled the replay, feeling right at home in nearby Blackburn, but it was the London club who opened the scoring through a Frank Gallimore own goal. Preston then had Bobby Beattie, who was also a coach for North End at the time, to thank as he bagged a brace before the final whistle, ensuring the 1941 Football League War Cup trophy made the 11-mile journey west across Lancashire to Preston. The trophy was presented to Lilywhites skipper Tom Smith by the Football League president, WC Cuff, as the Rt Hon Lord Wigram, who was due to oversee this formality at Wembley, didn’t make the journey to Lancashire. With this cup triumph, Preston cemented their claim to be known as one of the best sides at the time with a league and cup double, the first of its kind in wartime Britain, following their success in the Northern Regional League that year. It may have been referred to as ‘The Cup Final that Wasn’t’, but that would have done little to dampen the memories and the spirit of the victorious players and the jovial fans who witnessed their wartime heroes lift a trophy, something not many clubs get to share with their fans. For them, it most certainly was the final that was.

Winning just one double is something our near neighbours can only dream about, never mind winning a double double. Forever in our shadow.
 
Thanks for that, norfolk, great stuff ! What the lashers don't realise is that your history doesn't somehow become invalid, just because it's a long time ago. Unless there's a nuclear war, it's likely that football will go on for centuries and in that case, the lashers (extremely fortunate all in all) promotion to the premier will also have to be forgotten. Fat chance of that.
 
Like all North End fans, and many non North End fans, know about our 1888-89 double winning season but it was only last week that I read about our second double.

The Football League began as normal on August 26, 1939, as war with Germany was not declared by Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain for another week. By then, Blackpool were top of the old First Division, having won their opening three games before the outbreak of hostilities and the Football League called time on the season (poor old 'pool). The war really began to hit English football teams hard as large numbers of players and staff went off to join the armed forces. Between September 1939 and thye end of the war, 784 footballers joined in the war effort via conscription. 91 men joined from Wolverhampton Wanderers, 76 from Liverpool, 65 from Huddersfield Town, 63 from Leicester City, 62 from Charlton, 55 from North End, 52 from Burnley, 50 from Sheffield Wednesday, 44 from Chelsea, 41 each from Brentford, Southampton, Sunderland and West Ham United and 1 from Norwich City.

Not only the Football League but also the FA Cup also fell victim to the conflict and was cancelled during the Second World War and thus the Football League War Cup was established, filling the void for fans.

On 21st September 1939, the British Government announced that football games would continue but not under the divisions that the game traditionally had. The government had imposed a travelling limit of 50 miles to watch football, forcing the Football League to regionalise the league and cup competitions. In the 1939-40 season, there were ten divisions established.

In the 1940-41 season the leagues were reduced in numbers to just two: the North Regional League and the South Regional League. Crystal Palace were champions of the South and Preston North End were the champions of the North. In that same season, Preston North End made it to the second final of the War Cup in 1941, a game which was dubbed by Pathé as ‘the Cup Final that wasn’t’, after beating nearby Bolton Wanderers and Bury, Manchester City, Newcastle United and, most notably, Tranmere Rovers by a scoreline of 12 goals to one. War brought with it the threat to life and limb to these shores between September 1940 and May 1941, the Germans inflicted 127 large night raids on Britain. Of these raids, 71 were targeted on London. But in the face of adversity, football carried on and Preston North End faced Arsenal on May 10 and the teams came out for the first of the eventual two match affair at a blitz-threatened Wembley Stadium together, where they were greeted on the pitch by AV Alexander, First Lord of the Admiralty.

The Lilywhites and the Gunners cancelled each other out in front of a crowd limited to 60,000 in North West London. Thanks to an assist from Tom Finney, who was yet to make his official debut, Andy McLaren opened the scoring for North End before Denis Compton equalised for Arsenal on the stroke of half time with his brother, Leslie, having missed a penalty for handball in the opening exchanges. Both sides played out a goalless, damp squib of a second half ,meaning a replay was required to settle the 1941 War Cup final.

The second encounter to settle the 1941 final took place at Ewood Park, Blackburn, on Saturday May 31, where fans were queueing as early as five hours before kick-off to secure a seat in the ground, which was sure to be packed to the rafters.In front of an eventual crowd of 45,000. North End controlled the replay, feeling right at home in nearby Blackburn, but it was the London club who opened the scoring through a Frank Gallimore own goal. Preston then had Bobby Beattie, who was also a coach for North End at the time, to thank as he bagged a brace before the final whistle, ensuring the 1941 Football League War Cup trophy made the 11-mile journey west across Lancashire to Preston. The trophy was presented to Lilywhites skipper Tom Smith by the Football League president, WC Cuff, as the Rt Hon Lord Wigram, who was due to oversee this formality at Wembley, didn’t make the journey to Lancashire. With this cup triumph, Preston cemented their claim to be known as one of the best sides at the time with a league and cup double, the first of its kind in wartime Britain, following their success in the Northern Regional League that year. It may have been referred to as ‘The Cup Final that Wasn’t’, but that would have done little to dampen the memories and the spirit of the victorious players and the jovial fans who witnessed their wartime heroes lift a trophy, something not many clubs get to share with their fans. For them, it most certainly was the final that was.

Winning just one double is something our near neighbours can only dream about, never mind winning a double double. Forever in our shadow.
If anybody remembers Dave Rainford from Eggheads, also known as Tremendous Knowledge Dave, here’s a story.

Dave was a mate of a mate and use to go ‘blobbing’ with others in Manchester, dropping money out of trivia machines. I was with them on the odd occasion. They were so clued up that they were barred from several pubs for emptying the quiz machines.

We educated Dave about all things Preston North End and he added it to his encyclopaedic knowledge. One night I was in the Conti in Manchester (if anybody remembers the place) and Dave was there. He wouldn’t let us buy any drinks. It turned out he had had a question about the winners of the War Cup and League double on his radio phone in. Even by his amazing standards, people were astonished that he’d got it right and could even tell them about Tom Finney being stationed in Egypt etc. And the Omar Sharif connection.

RIP Dave.
 
Fantastic piece.👍
The War Cup was on display in the Harris before it closed/(relocated) just recently. It's a lovely trophy.
 
Thought I’d skim through a few comments on a few threads, the OP title intrigued me.
A really good read thanks norfolk, we have much to be proud about.
 
When all else fails dig up the black and white history, that’s all we have got and we have exploited it to death. Last 60 years massive underachievement, there is a rumour that North End commissioned a video/movie to celebrate 125 years of existence, but it was moth balled because it further highlighted the last 60 years as the lean years, not much notable success.

Blackpool, Blackburn, Bolton, Burnley and Wigan have all a more illustrious history in recent times that has been witnessed by living supporters, ours is quickly becoming ancient history.
 
Can you talk me through any of the double doubles? What was it like?
It still happened and is still in the footballing history books. Just because it may not have happened in our lifetime it doesn't make it anyless of an achievement and something the club can be proud of.

Even if Blackpool, Blackburn, Bolton, Burnley and Wigan have all a more illustrious history in recent times does that make you jealouse of them given that only Burnley are in a higher division than us? Plus they still haven't achieved what North End have achieved.
 
It still happened and is still in the footballing history books. Just because it may not have happened in our lifetime it doesn't make it anyless of an achievement and something the club can be proud of.

Even if Blackpool, Blackburn, Bolton, Burnley and Wigan have all a more illustrious history in recent times does that make you jealouse of them given that only Burnley are in a higher division than us? Plus they still haven't achieved what North End have achieved.

If ancient history keeps you happy and contented so be it. Jealous of nobody, but so disappointed in North Ends underachievement for 60 years.
 
Like all North End fans, and many non North End fans, know about our 1888-89 double winning season but it was only last week that I read about our second double.

The Football League began as normal on August 26, 1939, as war with Germany was not declared by Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain for another week. By then, Blackpool were top of the old First Division, having won their opening three games before the outbreak of hostilities and the Football League called time on the season (poor old 'pool). The war really began to hit English football teams hard as large numbers of players and staff went off to join the armed forces. Between September 1939 and thye end of the war, 784 footballers joined in the war effort via conscription. 91 men joined from Wolverhampton Wanderers, 76 from Liverpool, 65 from Huddersfield Town, 63 from Leicester City, 62 from Charlton, 55 from North End, 52 from Burnley, 50 from Sheffield Wednesday, 44 from Chelsea, 41 each from Brentford, Southampton, Sunderland and West Ham United and 1 from Norwich City.

Not only the Football League but also the FA Cup also fell victim to the conflict and was cancelled during the Second World War and thus the Football League War Cup was established, filling the void for fans.

On 21st September 1939, the British Government announced that football games would continue but not under the divisions that the game traditionally had. The government had imposed a travelling limit of 50 miles to watch football, forcing the Football League to regionalise the league and cup competitions. In the 1939-40 season, there were ten divisions established.

In the 1940-41 season the leagues were reduced in numbers to just two: the North Regional League and the South Regional League. Crystal Palace were champions of the South and Preston North End were the champions of the North. In that same season, Preston North End made it to the second final of the War Cup in 1941, a game which was dubbed by Pathé as ‘the Cup Final that wasn’t’, after beating nearby Bolton Wanderers and Bury, Manchester City, Newcastle United and, most notably, Tranmere Rovers by a scoreline of 12 goals to one. War brought with it the threat to life and limb to these shores between September 1940 and May 1941, the Germans inflicted 127 large night raids on Britain. Of these raids, 71 were targeted on London. But in the face of adversity, football carried on and Preston North End faced Arsenal on May 10 and the teams came out for the first of the eventual two match affair at a blitz-threatened Wembley Stadium together, where they were greeted on the pitch by AV Alexander, First Lord of the Admiralty.

The Lilywhites and the Gunners cancelled each other out in front of a crowd limited to 60,000 in North West London. Thanks to an assist from Tom Finney, who was yet to make his official debut, Andy McLaren opened the scoring for North End before Denis Compton equalised for Arsenal on the stroke of half time with his brother, Leslie, having missed a penalty for handball in the opening exchanges. Both sides played out a goalless, damp squib of a second half ,meaning a replay was required to settle the 1941 War Cup final.

The second encounter to settle the 1941 final took place at Ewood Park, Blackburn, on Saturday May 31, where fans were queueing as early as five hours before kick-off to secure a seat in the ground, which was sure to be packed to the rafters.In front of an eventual crowd of 45,000. North End controlled the replay, feeling right at home in nearby Blackburn, but it was the London club who opened the scoring through a Frank Gallimore own goal. Preston then had Bobby Beattie, who was also a coach for North End at the time, to thank as he bagged a brace before the final whistle, ensuring the 1941 Football League War Cup trophy made the 11-mile journey west across Lancashire to Preston. The trophy was presented to Lilywhites skipper Tom Smith by the Football League president, WC Cuff, as the Rt Hon Lord Wigram, who was due to oversee this formality at Wembley, didn’t make the journey to Lancashire. With this cup triumph, Preston cemented their claim to be known as one of the best sides at the time with a league and cup double, the first of its kind in wartime Britain, following their success in the Northern Regional League that year. It may have been referred to as ‘The Cup Final that Wasn’t’, but that would have done little to dampen the memories and the spirit of the victorious players and the jovial fans who witnessed their wartime heroes lift a trophy, something not many clubs get to share with their fans. For them, it most certainly was the final that was.

Winning just one double is something our near neighbours can only dream about, never mind winning a double double. Forever in our shadow.
Great Read.Even though I was aware of the facts you relate to,you have gone into great detail with your story.Well done.
 
I need to start going round museums more often. Do you know where it's located now?.
I don't know where it is now TB1. The Harris are closed for major renovations until 2023/4 (if I'm not mistaken), so I presume it's been put in storage. I've read they will be displaying many of the items in storage at different venues over the coming months to keep the collection alive so to speak - so it might pop up somewhere!
 
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