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What is our identity?

I'm doing a bit of research for a project, and it made me wonder what our fans think North End's identity is? I don't mean just what we are doing recently under the current ownership and manager, I mean longer term.

TLDR: I think historic (recognising Sir Tom), medium sized, slightly over-achieving but never quite getting there with hard working rather than flair players.

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My thinking:

Historic: We're a founder member of the original league, won the first season and first FA Cup, first to do the double and first to go a season unbeaten. Deepdale is also the oldest ground in continuous use. So I think we can safely say that history forms part of our identity, although perhaps Gentry Day is the only way this history manifests today.

Sir Tom: A true legend of the game not just for his football ability, but also his loyalty to the club (both during and beyond his playing days) and universally liked. The Splash statue, renamed section of road and stand in his name mean he's still visibly part of our identity.

Beyond those two, what else forms our identity?

Core fan base size: Preston's population and catchment area means our core local support is unlikely to sustain a top 30 (harsh?) attendance nationality when you factor in clubs from London and other larger cities than Preston, plus there being a dozen other league clubs within an hour radius. So medium sized, but not small.

Punching above our weight? Given the above, to have bobbled around the second tier with an average position of upper-mid table for most of the last 25 years on a lower budget than most others suggests we punch above our weight... but never quite enough to get to the promised land. Steady (slightly successful) Eddie?

Style of player: My sense is we tend to have more "hard working" than "flair" as a general theme. Fair?

Style of play: Clubs don't necessarily need one, and I don't think there's a consistent style I could argue for us over the years. We've never been tic-a-tac-a. Arguably the days of the plastic pitch influenced our play style at that time. Each manager has had styles, but I can't pick a consistent thread.

Squad age profile: Again, clubs don't need one and I can't pick a consistent thread here - although I do think it's reasonable to say we are neither a hub for youth development or a final resting place for Premier stars dropping down the leagues.

Location: Whilst there are elements of both, generally I wouldn't say Preston is particularly either affluent or deprived. We're no longer notably industrial. Wikipedia cites the Uni and County Hall as key local "industries", and I think you can probably add Lancs Constabulary, BAE and farming if you widen the net a bit. Oh, and the bus station! I don't see a very strong local identity coming through into North End, but others may.

Anything else???
 
Incredibly loyal, often family-based, multi generational fan base. 60+ years outside the top flight. 85 years since winning anything and yet we maintain attendances home and away which are similar or better than many local rivals who have enjoyed recent time and/or success in some or all of these:
Premier league
FA Cup
Europe
League Cup
EFL Trophy

Remarkable really.
 
I don't know what we are other than another reasonably sized club from a fairly generic and typical northern town (ok, city). Sometimes we do OK compared to our peers, sometimes we don't. We utterly lack direction or purpose.
 
Great write up there apart from the "over achieving" bit i know you ony said slightly but you still said it! 😂
As Merseyside mentioned its 60 plus years without top flight football.
Not the proudest of stats to have.
Time to get a shift on.
 
We’re a mediocre club, a joke to some, insignificant to others, but we retain some historical significance. We have minor clout due to past success and in particular being a founder member, but ultimately we’re unfashionable and have limited appeal.
We might be unfashionable, but if (when) we get into the top flight I think there will be a surprising amount of love for Preston.

Preston identity = A proper football club
 
We might be unfashionable, but if (when) we get into the top flight I think there will be a surprising amount of love for Preston.

Preston identity = A proper football club
A founder member. That’s our USP. I don’t disagree.

Badge needs a rebrand though. See Burton, arsenal, Chelsea. Ours is amateur.
 
Style of player: My sense is we tend to have more "hard working" than "flair" as a general theme. Fair?

I'd say that's fair and it's probably why we have a few wingers in high regard. Obviously Sir Tom is rightly held in high regard for many reasons, but flair is part of it. But Brian Mooney and in recent years Aiden McGeady are often fondly remembered because traditionally we don't have flair players.

I don't see a very strong local identity coming through into North End, but others may.

Might be worth reading North End Souls, if I recall correctly Westley and maybe Phil Brown and Simon Grayson made a point of how we are a hard working working class town/city and they want the team to reflect that. Until we moved to Euxton, I think Springfields in a way reflects the club. Built on tradition, in need of investment to push us on further, but still a strong team spirit.

You could maybe argue the 'Preston Model' used by Preston City Council sort of reflects North End having to maximise what they have rather than expanding into other areas but it might be a stretch. TBF our away kit this season makes an effort of incorporating the Preston skyline too.
 
Like many historic clubs we aren’t really important anymore, all it takes to become important again is money… that’s the modern game.

Maybe one day we’ll have someone who wants to reignite our story.
 
We had a successful first 40 years of existence, which we still try to live off and claim to be relevant.
We've since been in football's wilderness for the past 70 years to the point where people outside of football haven't a clue who we are.
But we keep going, keep hoping.
 
We had a successful first 40 years of existence, which we still try to live off and claim to be relevant.
We've since been in football's wilderness for the past 70 years to the point where people outside of football haven't a clue who we are.
But we keep going, keep hoping.
Unbelievable isn't it, I met a barmaid in Andalusia, I casually mentioned Tom Finney, she said who?

I said Sir Tom Finney, you know, played for Preston North End, she just looked at me with a blank expression.

 
This "we're punching above our weight" bollocks does my head in.

I'd argue that a club's potential is defined by the size of it's urban population and because of our history our potential should be even higher

Here's some examples of urban population sizes:

Preston 313 K
Burnley 149K
Blackburn 146K
Sunderland 335K
Derby 270K
Luton 258K
Norwich 213K

Based on that that we are punching below our weight and there's no reason we shouldn't be in the Premier League and be the biggest club in Lancashire.
 
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