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Worth a read this one.

www.lep.co.uk

Brad Potts considered his future at PNE after fans celebrated his substitutiion

Brad Potts was the man of the match on Tuesday as North End drew with Nottingham Forest but things could have been so much different for the midfielder-turned-wing-back.
www.lep.co.uk www.lep.co.uk

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have been embarrassed that some of our following boo’d him off at Forest. I know it didn’t sit right with me. That he was playing was more down to rank bad man management.

Worth remembering this interview when we think that what we say to the players is water off a ducks back that they should be able to handle on the money that they’re on.

We are the 12th man.
 
I’ve not been his biggest fan for the last couple seasons but I’d never boo or cheer one of our players substitution nor would I give abuse to a player on social media. Really don’t get what goes through peoples heads when they do. They’re people at end of the day! Don’t get why some people think that us fans have a divine right to do and say what we want to footballers.
 
Libertine said:
Worth a read this one.

www.lep.co.uk

Brad Potts considered his future at PNE after fans celebrated his substitutiion

Brad Potts was the man of the match on Tuesday as North End drew with Nottingham Forest but things could have been so much different for the midfielder-turned-wing-back.
www.lep.co.uk www.lep.co.uk

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have been embarrassed that some of our following boo’d him off at Forest. I know it didn’t sit right with me. That he was playing was more down to rank bad man management.

Worth remembering this interview when we think that what we say to the players is water off a ducks back that they should be able to handle on the money that they’re on.

We are the 12th man.
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to be fair, most of those booing him off where too drunk to find a seat to sit on or a step to stand up safely...... not sure they'd have sobered up before going to school on the monday !
 
My teenage son is very confused this week......

for a long time his favourite player has been Andrew Hughes, but when he got a new shirt last season he wanted Potts 44 on it.....

for much of the last 2-3 seasons he has felt like he was the only PNE fan to like these two.... certainly on this forum he was in a large minority....

Now everybody wants to claim his favourite players as theirs..... he is very confused and thinking of getting a Harrop & Earl Scarf made up😉
 
Potts was the fall guy under the postman and starting him upfront at Forest was only going to end badly. I felt at the time that some of the boos and ironic cheers were aimed at the postman for getting things so badly wrong and not just Potts. The players were suffering under McAvoy and whilst he might have been the nice guy it would have turned absolutely toxic if he'd have stayed in the job any longer.

It's been clear from day one that Potts is a confidence player but his reaction to his goal at Stoke probably made a few people think there is actually a player who cares in there. It would have been easy for him to just get a few pats on the back from his team mates so even make a sarcastic gesture to the fans. Instead he didn't think twice about acting like a mad man and jumping into the away end like he's just scored the most important goal of his career. But then again it probably was as it means he's got a chance to prove that he's good enough at this level.
 
sports rehab said:
My teenage son is very confused this week......

for a long time his favourite player has been Andrew Hughes, but when he got a new shirt last season he wanted Potts 44 on it.....

for much of the last 2-3 seasons he has felt like he was the only PNE fan to like these two.... certainly on this forum he was in a large minority....

Now everybody wants to claim his favourite players as theirs..... he is very confused and thinking of getting a Harrop & Earl Scarf made up😉
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Long may it continue for both of them.
 
sports rehab said:
My teenage son is very confused this week......

for a long time his favourite player has been Andrew Hughes, but when he got a new shirt last season he wanted Potts 44 on it.....

for much of the last 2-3 seasons he has felt like he was the only PNE fan to like these two.... certainly on this forum he was in a large minority....

Now everybody wants to claim his favourite players as theirs..... he is very confused and thinking of getting a Harrop & Earl Scarf made up😉
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I like Harrop and Earl and would love to see them prove people wrong. Although I can't see it happening for Harrop. But with Earl, he could do a lot worse than watching what Potts did on Tuesday night. If we get both wing-back confident enough to try and put early crosses into the box, look to beat a man, or cut inside and play forward passes - the goals and wins at Deepdale will flow. Earl would be an absolute best if he could overcome his self-doubts and switch off that little voice in his head that makes him stop and think twice when it comes to attacking in the final third.
 
Without boos and jeering Frankie would still be in a job, and Potts like it or not, may not have turned his performances around. It's very easy for managers and players to operate in the comfort zone.

Much like how Alex Neil survived way too long during that whole year when games were played without fans on the ground.

Fans need to be able and allowed to vocalise their displeasure at things they dislike. Whilst positivity and cheers can certainly help the team on match-day, it's often boos and pressure for change that can have a more powerful long term effect.
 
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JG1888 said:
I’ve not been his biggest fan for the last couple seasons but I’d never boo or cheer one of our players substitution nor would I give abuse to a player on social media. Really don’t get what goes through peoples heads when they do. They’re people at end of the day! Don’t get why some people think that us fans have a divine right to do and say what we want to footballers.
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Agreed. But just because there footballers doesn't mean much really. Same for all people.
 
Think the thread title is a stretch.

FM picked Potts to start up front away at Forest, and if you look at the MDT it was obvious from the start it was a bad selection by a bad manager, and the match unravelled that way, from Potts's lack of bravery when Forest scored their second to his terrible miss at the end of the first half and early substitution.

All of this was Frankie's responsibility, and then Potts's responsibility, not "our responsibility".

It's obvious our away support is going to react to what they see after travelling across the country at considerable expense to watch the team play. They're a knowledgable bunch, not just a load of pissheads as lazily suggested above. If the performance is good, they'll sing and cheer as loud as anyone - and if it's a load of crap, they'll let you know about that too.

Not because it's "our responsibility", but because that's what football fans do.

I think Potts has been helped by two things since that Forest game - the useless Frankie was fired, and Lowe has played him in a position he is more suited to, being a former right back. Credit to the club, Lowe and Potts for all that.
 
As I said I was at the game and to hear one of our players being cheered/boo'd from the pitch was an embarrassment. And as was said above there were a number of people on that game very much the worse for wear. (Was there not a tele smashed on the concourse, I think it was at forest.)

I think you let a know team that things are crap at full time, arguably at half time, although RL has said that he was surprised to hear half time boo's the other week and that it isn't helpful.

Our responsibility is as the 12th man.
 
Dreyfuss said:
Without boos and jeering Frankie would still be in a job, and Potts like it or not, may not have turned his performances around. It's very easy for managers and players to operate in the comfort zone.

Much like how Alex Neil survived way too long during that whole year when games were played without fans on the ground.

Fans need to be able and allowed to vocalise their displeasure at things they dislike. Whilst positivity and cheers can certainly help the team on match-day, it's often boos and pressure for change that can have a more powerful long term effect.
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The reasons potts has turned his performances around is because he is actually played in a position that suits him. Not because fans cheered him off the football pitch because he was (through no fault of his own) being asked to play up front. I agree with Libertine. To sarcastically cheer your own player of the pitch is a joke.

People who think negatively booing players has a positive impact are a joke.
 
Not condoning the booing of our players but if you paid me the money that Potts will be on every week, you can boo me and call me all the names under the sun, I'd still be a millionaire playing a sport for a living.
 
Booing the Whole Team+Manager, at h.t. & f.t. - I'm ok with that ( ovs. hoping it never happens )
Booing individual PNE players - there's no point, it doesn't help anyone ( except possibly the opponents/fans morale ) and could even alienate you from the PNE fans nearby .
 
keasden said:
Not condoning the booing of our players but if you paid me the money that Potts will be on every week, you can boo me and call me all the names under the sun, I'd still be a millionaire playing a sport for a living.
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Everyone seems to keep mentioning booing. This happens and we have to accept it. It's when fans and players take it further to social media abuse or letters to homes, threats etc. There is a line. Booing isn't that line for me if it's deserved.

Browne by fans accounts (to which I wasn't at the game, gave the fans the finger or was foul mouthed after he got stick from the fans. He was our captain, funny how short some peoples memories are.

A true test of someone's character shines through when there at there worst or pushed into a corner. We've seen ABs.

Some players deserved to be booed. .
 
I hate booing and I hate singling players out for individual abuse or booing It just isn’t moral or fair.

Having said that, players and management have to take responsibility too. They live lives most of the fans can only dream about. The fans are paying a not too insignificant amount to watch them play and when fans are leaving a game when the players just aren’t playing well, or look like they can’t bothered, the fans are always going to be frustrated and angry. They have a right to show their displeasure. Walking off the ground won’t help be cause they have already paid their money so the club or team don’t care. I don’t know the answer but we can’t just sit there accepting any old performances or players only turning up when they can bothered anymore than players should accept personal booing.
 
Why are we so precious about upsetting players ? What about us fans ?I have to admit there have been a few occasions over several decades of watching when I have given it a bit when the performance has just been so dire - and thats saying something given we have served up some grim stiff at times. When I get to this point, booing is a release and relieves some frustration. it’s always directed at the team in general, never at individuals and I keep it until half or full time
 
May I suggest you read the Evening Post (LEP) Interview with Brad Potts , and bear in mind just how that guys attitude and performance have changed, between both games v Nottingham Forest.
Myself, watching him in both games, have seen a flippin' Sea Change improvement.
 
I have. He’s paid to perform, bring success and entertain, like the rest of the players. If he isn’t doing that then what we have a right to make it known.
i don’t agree with the treatment he got at forest away - as my post said, direct the ire at the team
 
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