Our second string players

[raefil]

If theyre not good enough to beat Accy then why the pluck are they actually here?

We saw towards the end of last season, when injuries kicked in, how the results dipped, also in games like Newcastle in the cup were. like last night, we were totally embarrased. Time for a cull, methinks.

We have a really good first team but the lack of depth is very concerning. Seems there are some robbing a wage off PNE.

 

[northender1881]

Can't disagree really, but one silver lining is that now with less games to play in the League cup we can hopefully keep are first 11 fresher and fitter for our league campaign.

 

[Tino]

If theyre not good enough to beat Accy then why the pluck are they actually here?

We saw towards the end of last season, when injuries kicked in, how the results dipped, also in games like Newcastle in the cup were. like last night, we were totally embarrased. Time for a cull, methinks.

We have a really good first team but the lack of depth is very concerning. Seems there are some robbing a wage off PNE.

Name names.

Some are up to it and would be fine coming in when the core 9 or 10 play as well, but it's hard when 9 changes are made.

 

[Dan_The_Man]

For me, after seeing the game last night, (without trying to pick on him) Grimshaw should not be anywhere near any match day squad, and rather disappointingly the combination of Boyle/Davies would not work in the league. Vermijl and O'Connor were also off the pace. You could argue a case for the rest (apart from Maxwell's kicking AGAIN).

What disappointed me the most was the complete lack of urgency and bite from the weekend. The best way to describe it is, last night was very much like a game last season, Grimshaw was very crab like in only seemingly wanting to play sideways, the new lad from Arsenal didn't contribute either, but it was his first game, so i'll reserve judgement on him for now.

AN will have learned alot from his 'squad' last night, a lesson best learned in the cup rather than in a league game IMO. The requirements for another CB and CDM still rage on......

 

[Dreyfuss]

It's strange how the likes of Doyle, May and Pringle didn't even make the bench last night. Never mind the starting XI. Unless I am unaware of injuries they are carrying? Are we just keeping them injury free and hoping to flog them this month.

Maxwell, Hugill, Robinson, Gallagher & Horgan are first team regulars. Not sure any of those can be classed 'second string'. Whilst O'Connor & Mavididi have been at the club for a matter of weeks or days. So hard to place any real blame at their door.

Which leaves Grimshaw, Boyle, Davies & Vermijl as the fall guys from last night's debacle. Not sure they are 'stealing a wage' as the OP suggests. Of the four Grimshaw and Vermijl have come in for a lot of stick in the past. Their faces just don't seem to fit. Utility players have that issue.

Grimshaw only has a year left on his deal. It seems very unlikely he will be here next summer. In terms of Vermijl he lacks positional sense and defensive strength. The signing of Fisher seems to suggest AN agrees. I still don't mind Vermijl as an option on the bench though - he is a threat going forwards.

 

[JK]

If theyre not good enough to beat Accy then why the pluck are they actually here?

We saw towards the end of last season, when injuries kicked in, how the results dipped, also in games like Newcastle in the cup were. like last night, we were totally embarrased. Time for a cull, methinks.

We have a really good first team but the lack of depth is very concerning. Seems there are some robbing a wage off PNE.

Which backs up my argument that we can't sell any of our better players as some of the fringe players are no no where near as good.

Grimshaw, Doyle, Pringle, Marnick wouldn't be involved again for me this season so can move on.

Boyle and Davies will have a role to play but we still need a CB as well as Spurr and Hunts played on Saturday if one of us out we could be in trouble.

I think the plan was to let Welsh go out on loan and keep Grimshaw but we either need to sign another CDM If John is allowed to go and get shut of Grimshaw regardless. If Pearson doesn't play we have no one even close to replace him at present. Gally is only going to be a bit part player too but hopefully Harrop will become a key player in the mould. Gally has been great for us but last night he was awful and way off the pace, yet Saturday came of the bench and did well, think that's his role now, more an impact player.

Let Earl, Hudson, Mulle out on loan.

Saturday showed that with out strongest 11/14 players we can do very well in this league and last night doesn't change that but it also highlighted for Neil that some of the squad are not up to it and we still need to bring in 2 or 3 more to give us that extra depth required in this league.

 

[California_PNE]

Which backs up my argument that we can't sell any of our better players as some of the fringe players are no no where near as good.

Grimshaw, Doyle, Pringle, Marnick wouldn't be involved again for me this season so can move on.

Boyle and Davies will have a role to play but we still need a CB as well as Spurr and Hunts played on Saturday if one of us out we could be in trouble.

I think the plan was to let Welsh go out on loan and keep Grimshaw but we either need to sign another CDM If John is allowed to go and get shut of Grimshaw regardless. If Pearson doesn't play we have no one even close to replace him at present. Gally is only going to be a bit part player too but hopefully Harrop will become a key player in the mound. Gally has been great for us but last night he was awful and way off the pace, yet Saturday came of the bench and did well, think that's his role now, more an impact player.

Let Earl, Hudson, Mulle out on loan.

Saturday showed that with out strongest 11/14 players we can do very well in this league and last night doesn't change that but it also highlighted for Neil that some of the squad are not up to it and we still need to bring in 2 or 3 more to give us that extra depth required in this league.

100%; we cannot sell!!!
If we do we're fucked !

Obviously disappointing to lose, well done accy but thank God we're out of that awful competition.

Just the league to go at now!

 

[raefil]

Youve said my thoughts a lot better than I did, JK.

 

[pneal]

Saturday showed that with out strongest 11/14 players we can do very well in this league and last night doesn't change that but it also highlighted for Neil that some of the squad are not up to it and we still need to bring in 2 or 3 more to give us that extra depth required in this league.

I think we've got more than 11-14 that can compete. I agree we could do with a couple more through the door but even as we are we could field a matchday 18 of: Maxwell, Rudd; Fisher, Woods, Huntington, Spurr, Davies, Cunningham; Pearson, Browne, Gallagher; Johnson, Harrop, Horgan, Robinson, Barkhuizen; Maguire, Hugill.

I'm happy with all those being part of our first team squad. Some of those have stepped up having perhaps not being considered good enough last season (Browne, Spurr, Davies) so while they may have had unpromising starts at Deepdale who's to say that Mavididi, O'Connor and Boyle can't do the same?

If we can ship out the players who clearly aren't wanted and bring in the centreback and midfielder we obviously need then we'll be fine.

 

[sedgwick__7]

Seems there are some robbing a wage off PNE.

I would tend to agree with that assessment, but the ones I have in mind just happened to be completely out of the squad last night so the point stands regardless of the result.

As I said on the matchday thread, Pringle, Doyle and May have picked up a lot of money between them to do pretty much nothing since signing. Minimal contribution. They are a waste of wages and should be offloaded before the end of the window. These guys can't even make the 18 man squad away at Accy. If that doesn't prompt them to push for a move away to play more football then I'm not sure what will.

Welsh, whilst a good servant unlike those 3, is in the same bracket I'm afraid. Hasn't kicked a ball competitively for PNE in around 10 months, doesn't look like being in serious contention anytime soon. A move to League One or Two would be best for all.

Grimshaw and Vermijl are the ones that played last night who I would get rid of. They consistently underperform whenever called upon.

As for the rest of the team that played last night, there's some decent players in there who've proven themselves to be at least competent at Championship level, but as Tino says, it's never easy when 9 changes are made, especially forming a cohesive defensive unit.

 

[GrahamShaw]

Name names.

Some are up to it and would be fine coming in when the core 9 or 10 play as well, but it's hard when 9 changes are made.

This

 

[kbd_pne]

May is on course to leave.

We've been trying to offload Doyle, Pringle and Grimshaw all summer and failed to do so. Hopefully continued absences from matchday squads will push them further towards finding a new club.

Haven't heard anything about Vermijl but I'd expect him to go too. He hardly ever plays well and once Woods is fit he'll be further down the pecking order, we don't need 3 RBs on the wage bill.

Ideally we go for a CDM too and let go of Welsh.

 

[keithaw]

May is on course to leave.

We've been trying to offload Doyle, Pringle and Grimshaw all summer and failed to do so. Hopefully continued absences from matchday squads will push them further towards finding a new club.

Haven't heard anything about Vermijl but I'd expect him to go too. He hardly ever plays well and once Woods is fit he'll be further down the pecking order, we don't need 3 RBs on the wage bill.

Ideally we go for a CDM too and let go of Welsh.

Is May leaving on loan or on a Permanent basis & are we any closer to signing a CB Do you know?


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[chorleythehord]

It's strange how the likes of Doyle, May and Pringle didn't even make the bench last night. Never mind the starting XI. Unless I am unaware of injuries they are carrying? Are we just keeping them injury free and hoping to flog them this month.

Maxwell, Hugill, Robinson, Gallagher & Horgan are first team regulars. Not sure any of those can be classed 'second string'. Whilst O'Connor & Mavididi have been at the club for a matter of weeks or days. So hard to place any real blame at their door.

Which leaves Grimshaw, Boyle, Davies & Vermijl as the fall guys from last night's debacle. Not sure they are 'stealing a wage' as the OP suggests. Of the four Grimshaw and Vermijl have come in for a lot of stick in the past. Their faces just don't seem to fit. Utility players have that issue.

Grimshaw only has a year left on his deal. It seems very unlikely he will be here next summer. In terms of Vermijl he lacks positional sense and defensive strength. The signing of Fisher seems to suggest AN agrees. I still don't mind Vermijl as an option on the bench though - he is a threat going forwards.

This is my position too, except I think we can safely say the fringe players that did not feature are not part of our plans, though maybe Welsh might have to be reassessed given his experience and his style of play and current lack of an alternative in Pearsons absence.

I said before the game we should give all the fringe players who are part of our plans a game as we might not get another opportunity and I've not changed that stance. We learned a lot.

I don't agree with the shop window theory for the players we want to leave. Anyone buying or loaning them will be taking a gamble based on past reputation, as indeed we did with most of them, and hoping they can restore it like we did with Beckford and McGeady. With all those players it is possible if they find the right team, manager and style of play to suit.

It's ridiculous to write off players based on 90 mins v Accy and say we are doomed. Burnley reserves got beat by the same team last year and managed to stay in the premier league.

We are all willing all the Irish lads to succeed here at Preston but the defenders look like they are going to be a long work in progress. Boyle in particular looks like he has ability but is lacking technique. Technique can be coached. Do we have a quality defensive coach though, in the same way we clearly have an outstanding goalkeeping coach who improves all keepers?