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SF said:
And worryingly, our defence looks complete shit unless we have ten men behind the ball.
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Not so much that as the fact Ledson doesn't control the midfield anything like Whiteman plus he panics under pressure and either makes silly tackles or mis kicks clearances. Whiteman papered over a lock of cracks.
 
Euxtonboy said:
Not so much that as the fact Ledson doesn't control the midfield anything like Whiteman plus he panics under pressure and either makes silly tackles or mis kicks clearances. Whiteman papered over a lock of cracks.
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We attacked at Blackpool with Whiteman in there though and still shipped 4. Regardless of personnel, the defence looks poor as soon as we try to play more openly.
 
Euxtonboy said:
Not so much that as the fact Ledson doesn't control the midfield anything like Whiteman plus he panics under pressure and either makes silly tackles or mis kicks clearances. Whiteman papered over a lock of cracks.
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Without the hapless Whiteman we managed to win the previous 2 games and before that too when he was taken off, so 9 points from 12 without this show pony.
 
SF said:
We attacked at Blackpool with Whiteman in there though and still shipped 4. Regardless of personnel, the defence looks poor as soon as we try to play more openly.
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At Shitpool , if Woodman had put it in to make it 3-all, us looking back at that game would be a totally different memory. The reason goalies come up in the dying minutes, even though the odds are against them scoring, he has to go up there.
The defence was sloppy that day, like it was sloppy last Saturday. It's inside our Penalty Area.
Ifs , buts , & maybes. 2-4 instead of 3-3.

But what do we want the team to do?
Park the bus as per V Burnley, ( and maybe nick a goal ) or Play more expansively ( scoring & conceding more ).
It shouldn't be either/or ; - I want the "best of both" - but tbh it's not going to happen with the current squad. Lowe knows this, most of us on here know it, the Senior Management 'upstairs' know it, but do they care like Lowe and most of us on here ?
 
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billymac said:
Without the hapless Whiteman we managed to win the previous 2 games and before that too when he was taken off, so 9 points from 12 without this show pony.
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Trying to give this some reasonable thought after hearing both sides of this argument.
What I end up with is for what it's worth.
We are in a very good position despite the Hemmings strangling us with the finances.
Most of the results that have got us there have been with Whiteman making a valuable contribution.
You obviously don't rate Whiteman which is fair enough, but surely if Whiteman is a poor championship footballer then Ledson has to be a poor footballer at least a level below (you may agree) just saying!
 
Thracia said:
Our goal difference is 6 worse than 6th place after 21 games.

It's something we need to address, not ignore.
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Well turned around GD famously with three games left v Cardiff in 2009, they must've been miles clear but was a 12 goal swing in just the Deepdale game.

Strange old season that one, very strong at home but were dismal away from home for 3/4 of the season. Championship back then was probably as weak as it is now so you never know if team can stay in the mix but there was a tiny bit more ambition from the top in those days with 1m + spent on the likes of Mellor and Chris Brown.
 
Just checked and finish 6th in 08/09 on goals scored so even by their standards in that period Cardiff did really bottle it, both teams had +12 GD in the end.

Didn't Huddersfield finish one season in the top 6 with a minus GD or am I mistaken? They didn't actually score a goal in any of their three play off matches either.
 
noelpne said:
At Shitpool , if Woodman had put it in to make it 3-all, us looking back at that game would be a totally different memory. The reason goalies come up in the dying minutes, even though the odds are against them scoring, he has to go up there.
The defence was sloppy that day, like it was sloppy last Saturday. It's inside our Penalty Area.
Ifs , buts , & maybes. 2-4 instead of 3-3.

But what do we want the team to do?
Park the bus as per V Burnley, ( and maybe nick a goal ) or Play more expansively ( scoring & conceding more ).
It shouldn't be either/or ; - I want the "best of both" - but tbh it's not going to happen with the current squad. Lowe knows this, most of us on here know it, the Senior Management 'upstairs' know it, but do they care like Lowe and most of us on here ?
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Yep, not pointing the finger at Lowe, highlighting that unless we're setup to not cross the halfway line, the likes of Storey, Lindsay, and Ledson look worryingly vulnerable.

All in all, we've got a squad built for 14th/15th and that's where we will end up.
 
Euxtonboy said:
Not so much that as the fact Ledson doesn't control the midfield anything like Whiteman plus he panics under pressure and either makes silly tackles or mis kicks clearances. Whiteman papered over a lock of cracks.
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Whiteman is simply one of our best players, though a lot of his work is not eye catching. Similar to the likes of Mackenna etc in the past, when he is in the team and playing well , we generally play well
 
buckshawwhite said:
Whiteman is simply one of our best players, though a lot of his work is not eye catching. Similar to the likes of Mackenna etc in the past, when he is in the team and playing well , we generally play well
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Short memory. There have been some dismal performances this season with Whiteman in the team.

For me he’s a fairly consistent 6 or 7/10 player and generally protects the defence which probably does make him one of our better players. But I struggle to remember any MOM performances. I’d still rather have him in there than Ledson.
 
diggerb said:
Trying to give this some reasonable thought after hearing both sides of this argument.
What I end up with is for what it's worth.
We are in a very good position despite the Hemmings strangling us with the finances.
Most of the results that have got us there have been with Whiteman making a valuable contribution.
You obviously don't rate Whiteman which is fair enough, but surely if Whiteman is a poor championship footballer then Ledson has to be a poor footballer at least a level below (you may agree) just saying!
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The furore after the Blackpool game where Whightman contributed fuck all brought calls for everybody out, Whiteman gets injured and we win the next 3 without his silky skills, just saying like...............Lesson plays and 9 points from 12, probably our best return of the season.
 
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