Perspective

[Hitch 22]

I can't remember a time when North End has had such a young team full of potential. The Hugill position got me thinking. I absolutely agree with the way our club is run regarding wages etc. The only problem is in future keeping hold of our best players. The way Reading, Leeds... etc throw money around its not going to be long before Barkhuizen, DJ, Earl and Maguire start getting noticed if they already haven't. With transfer deadline looming it's possible for all the above players to have massive bids for them.(perhaps next season in Maguires case). So it's fantastic to have a talented young team but not great in that we won't compete with teams who throw stupid amounts of money at players.

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[Alpine White]

I'm afraid it is the way it is. We have a much smaller budget.

We live in hope that one season (let's pray it is this season) we have a good enough start to persuade the club and the players it is worth keeping the squad in place. If we are in with a realistic shout of going up this could happen in both transfer windows during the season.

Then, we hope to get into the Prem and budget becomes a different ball game.

Huddersfield et al have shown it can be done.

Otherwise, reality is we will sell to massive bids and bring in much cheaper players. Always.

 

[Pot]

I can't remember a time when North End has had such a young team full of potential. The Hugill position got me thinking. I absolutely agree with the way our club is run regarding wages etc. The only problem is in future keeping hold of our best players. The way Reading, Leeds... etc throw money around its not going to be long before Barkhuizen, DJ, Earl and Maguire start getting noticed if they already haven't. With transfer deadline looming it's possible for all the above players to have massive bids for them.(perhaps next season in Maguires case). So it's fantastic to have a talented young team but not great in that we won't compete with teams who throw stupid amounts of money at players.

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Spurs have the same problem in the Premier League. Just watch that team get dismantled over the next year or so.

 

[Sepp Blatter]

Spurs have the same problem in the Premier League. Just watch that team get dismantled over the next year or so.

And Southampton - mind you, the way they deal with it is a lesson. They always seem to have a young player ready to step up when someone is sold - maybe we should already be identifying, signing, and training the replacements for Barks, DJ, and Pearson etc. with the assumption that they will move on at some point.

 

[marsbars]

I'm afraid it is the way it is. We have a much smaller budget.

We live in hope that one season (let's pray it is this season) we have a good enough start to persuade the club and the players it is worth keeping the squad in place. If we are in with a realistic shout of going up this could happen in both transfer windows during the season.

Then, we hope to get into the Prem and budget becomes a different ball game.

Huddersfield et al have shown it can be done.

Otherwise, reality is we will sell to massive bids and bring in much cheaper players. Always.

Agree.

 

[Aitch]

I'm afraid it is the way it is. We have a much smaller budget.

We live in hope that one season (let's pray it is this season) we have a good enough start to persuade the club and the players it is worth keeping the squad in place. If we are in with a realistic shout of going up this could happen in both transfer windows during the season.

Then, we hope to get into the Prem and budget becomes a different ball game.

Huddersfield et al have shown it can be done.

Otherwise, reality is we will sell to massive bids and bring in much cheaper players. Always.

We go on about player loyalty etc, but look at Huddersfield. As soon as they get to the Prem, they bring in a load of new players, mainly foreigners, to replace the lads that got them there. It would probably be the same with us. We'd have to strengthen at the expense of the current squad. Even when we got promoted to this division, there was the process of improvement to go through. It's a tricky situation. I think Burnley are the role model for any club. They have dealt with their budget very wisely, improving the squad and facilities over time. They even managed relegation well. Hull, Blackpool, and numerous others have shown how not to do it

 

[pneal]

We go on about player loyalty etc, but look at Huddersfield. As soon as they get to the Prem, they bring in a load of new players, mainly foreigners, to replace the lads that got them there. It would probably be the same with us. We'd have to strengthen at the expense of the current squad. Even when we got promoted to this division, there was the process of improvement to go through. It's a tricky situation. I think Burnley are the role model for any club. They have dealt with their budget very wisely, improving the squad and facilities over time. They even managed relegation well. Hull, Blackpool, and numerous others have shown how not to do it

Don't think we go that route. The bulk of the squad the got us up we're given fair chance in the Championship. And some, who there might have been doubts about in terms of whether they could step up, disproved those doubts emphatically.

 

[Yeti]

And Southampton - mind you, the way they deal with it is a lesson. They always seem to have a young player ready to step up when someone is sold - maybe we should already be identifying, signing, and training the replacements for Barks, DJ, and Pearson etc. with the assumption that they will move on at some point.

I read an article once that Southampton have a database that has 3 or 4 players who they have scouted numerous time and have data from every game they have played for every squad member knowing at some point they will move on if they do well. While the Director of Football and board members have a list a replacement managers and all there details if there new manager moves on or doesn't work out.

Seem very logical and makes you wonder why other teams are prepared like this instead of come transfer deadline day panic and start bidding or signing any player

 

[justinr73]

Well you'd hope so given the amount of resources such clubs have but

a) Football does not attract the brightest people in the world and
b) It is not always easy to forecast where you're likely to pocket the biggest 'bung'

 

[pne4ever]

We don't have, nor can we afford a scouting and youth set up like Southampton.
They scout up and sign schoolboys and youngsters from all parts of the country. Look how they got Alan Shearer, Wollcott, Oklade- Chamberlin etc.
I know of six kids in my area that were on their books. However out of all those dozens that they sign very few make it all the way.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

Burnley,Blackpool,Bournemouth,Watford and Huddersfield have managed to get to the Premier league with a similar fan base. Why did other teams not pinch their star players ? Was it the wages they were on ? Probably. Do we want to have a realistic crack at getting to the Prem. ? Or do we want to be a feeder club who remains solvent?

 

[Regardless]

Burnley,Blackpool,Bournemouth,Watford and Huddersfield have managed to get to the Premier league with a similar fan base. Why did other teams not pinch their star players ? Was it the wages they were on ? Probably. Do we want to have a realistic crack at getting to the Prem. ? Or do we want to be a feeder club who remains solvent?

One thing's for sure, if we have that 'realistic crack'... just miss out... and plummet down the leagues in Portsmouthesque style, the most 'supporters' won't continue turn up ever Saturday, happy that we gave it a go!

The best option is for Trevor to put his money where my mouth is.

 

[Tino]

Burnley,Blackpool,Bournemouth,Watford and Huddersfield have managed to get to the Premier league with a similar fan base. Why did other teams not pinch their star players ? Was it the wages they were on ? Probably. Do we want to have a realistic crack at getting to the Prem. ? Or do we want to be a feeder club who remains solvent?

The season before those sides were promoted to the Premier League they finished:

Burnley (1st time) - 13th
Lashers - 16th
Huddersfield - 19th
Watford - 1st time they had back to back promotions, 2nd time 18th, and last time 13th
Bournemouth - 10th

What this shows is you only need 1 good season to get up. There's a lot of talk of steady progress and pushing into the PO's but in reality 1 good season is all you need. Maybe there wasn't time for other sides to pinch their best players, they literally would have had 1 transfer window (the January one).

Being up and around the top 6 for 3 or 4 seasons would probably see others come and take your better players. Watford and Bournemouth were probably also paying decent wages.

 

[jcfartpants]

I read an article once that Southampton have a database that has 3 or 4 players who they have scouted numerous time and have data from every game they have played for every squad member knowing at some point they will move on if they do well. While the Director of Football and board members have a list a replacement managers and all there details if there new manager moves on or doesn't work out.

Seem very logical and makes you wonder why other teams are prepared like this instead of come transfer deadline day panic and start bidding or signing any player

Presumably because football generally still operates in the dark ages.

 

[marsbars]

The season before those sides were promoted to the Premier League they finished:

Burnley (1st time) - 13th
Lashers - 16th
Huddersfield - 19th
Watford - 1st time they had back to back promotions, 2nd time 18th, and last time 13th
Bournemouth - 10th

What this shows is you only need 1 good season to get up. There's a lot of talk of steady progress and pushing into the PO's but in reality 1 good season is all you need. Maybe there wasn't time for other sides to pinch their best players, they literally would have had 1 transfer window (the January one).

Being up and around the top 6 for 3 or 4 seasons would probably see others come and take your better players. Watford and Bournemouth were probably also paying decent wages.

Couldn't agree more.