Players wages structure

[Flaxby White]

As FFP takes a greater effect on the clubs it basically creates a salary cap sport, such as happened in Rugby League. Perhaps RPR and Craig should pop over to Headingly and seek advice from Gary Hetherington who successfully introduced a pay structure for the players based on their overall worth to the club , on and off the field. Whereby the highest earner was the one with the greatest value to the club. It worked well for the Rhinos during their Golden Era.

To be fair the team was heavily made up of home grown players who had been with the club since being youngsters and so they had an in depth knowledge of their team mates.

May work or may not.

Tin hat on

 

[Bobbage]

As FFP takes a greater effect on the clubs it basically creates a salary cap sport, such as happened in Rugby League. Perhaps RPR and Craig should pop over to Headingly and seek advice from Gary Hetherington who successfully introduced a pay structure for the players based on their overall worth to the club , on and off the field. Whereby the highest earner was the one with the greatest value to the club. It worked well for the Rhinos during their Golden Era.

To be fair the team was heavily made up of home grown players who had been with the club since being youngsters and so they had an in depth knowledge of their team mates.

May work or may not.

Tin hat on

I can see a flaw with this idea...

 

[Mashimbo]

Think the main thing to consider is agents, they're the ones who need convincing. Their job, as we believe it, is to get as much money as possible for their client which becomes a cut for them.

 

[Oh Hughie Costello]

Going back to the Moyes era and one of the strengths of the squad was that there was that everyone was on roughly the same money. It hampered him in the transfer market because some players, especially strikers, wanted significantly more than the average player. But the players he did sign worked as a collective unit rather than for themselves.

We also technically tried something like this with Scott Sinclair and it bombed. Plus, the least said about our investment in youth the better.

 

[Flaxby White]

Perhaps its time to give the agents a jolt back towards reality? As clubs, like the rest of us face struggles their continual striving for more impacts on the players lower in the pyramid.

I can see a flaw with this idea...

Which is?

 

[Final Stand]

So it’s obvious that Ben Whitemans received the contract he was after, if that puts his salary on a par with Browne our Captain and proven international, how do you think Browne feels ?

(Would like to add that they are all paid over inflated salaries)

 

[Bobbage]

Perhaps its time to give the agents a jolt back towards reality? As clubs, like the rest of us face struggles their continual striving for more impacts on the players lower in the pyramid.

Which is?

Our beloved Director of Nest Feathering views youth team investment as "ballet dancing"

 

[Flaxby White]

So it’s obvious that Ben Whitemans received the contract he was after, if that puts his salary on a par with Browne our Captain and proven international, how do you think Browne feels ?

(Would like to add that they are all paid over inflated salaries)

I would suggest that BW got terms that he was happy to accept, none of knows the amount and how it compares with AB. Under Hetherington's scheme the club would probably value the club captain as the highest paid. Rightly or wrongly this is similar to pay structures in the rest of the working world.

 

[MattPNE17]

Perhaps its time to give the agents a jolt back towards reality? As clubs, like the rest of us face struggles their continual striving for more impacts on the players lower in the pyramid.

Which is?

Look at the phrase that was highlighted in bold by Bobbage when quoting from your original post.

We have a really poor youth setup. Think I'm right in saying that the gap between Earl breaking through into the first team and Best getting his chance as a first team player this season is 6 years.

A club like North End should be all over youth development if it isn't going to be spending big on transfers, but when our youth system is only pushing out a Kian Best - who, if we're honest, is dividing opinion as to whether he's cut out for this level defensively - every 6 years, then we're not in a position to focus on youth without improving the standard of the academy.

And if your owners won't invest in it, despite it not contributing to FFP costs, then what can we do?

 

[Hurlock. T]

I’ve long believed that player’s transfer values and pay should be limited and banded based on performance and achievements. There is enough data and analysis to come up with a structure that allocates points that dictate a players worth based on what the player has actually achieved in the game and how they have performed week in and week out.

It would stop players who can’t be arsed because poor performance means they’ll drop down bandings and get paid less. It would create a more level playing field in terms of transfer values as these would be fixed and not just open to the highest bidder, and it would stop both wages and transfer fees spiralling. Players would be more inclined to stay in lower divisions to build up their achievement points because they can’t get paid more without them, so sitting on the bench in the prem would be pointless. This would make lower divisions more competitive.

It will never happen as it would wipe the value off many premier league players overnight, which in effect proves the concept. Can you imagine Antony, Mount, Mudryk’s etc values if they were based on performance and achievement. It would also be a rocket up the arse of the lazy, spoilt bastards who think they are gods gift to the game.

Anyway, my utopia aside whilst I don’t think it really closes the gap between the haves and the have nots I do think FFP is a step in the right direction for the game, however much supporters of some teams squeal about it now it is beginning to squeeze.

 

[billymac]

Bosman was the reason for the explosion in players wages, prior the clubs had the power over THEIR employees, this genie is so far out of this bottle it will never return.

Clubs have and will go bust, nobody cares about the fans in the full scheme of things, players will have their saving to survive on until another club fawns after them.

 

[Flaxby White]

Look at the phrase that was highlighted in bold by Bobbage when quoting from your original post.

We have a really poor youth setup. Think I'm right in saying that the gap between Earl breaking through into the first team and Best getting his chance as a first team player this season is 6 years.

A club like North End should be all over youth development if it isn't going to be spending big on transfers, but when our youth system is only pushing out a Kian Best - who, if we're honest, is dividing opinion as to whether he's cut out for this level defensively - every 6 years, then we're not in a position to focus on youth without improving the standard of the academy.

And if your owners won't invest in it, despite it not contributing to FFP costs, then what can we Thanks for pointing that out, I had missed that

Look at the phrase that was highlighted in bold by Bobbage when quoting from your original post.

We have a really poor youth setup. Think I'm right in saying that the gap between Earl breaking through into the first team and Best getting his chance as a first team player this season is 6 years.

A club like North End should be all over youth development if it isn't going to be spending big on transfers, but when our youth system is only pushing out a Kian Best - who, if we're honest, is dividing opinion as to whether he's cut out for this level defensively - every 6 years, then we're not in a position to focus on youth without improving the standard of the academy.

And if your owners won't invest in it, despite it not contributing to FFP costs, then what can we do?

Hi, thanks for pointing that out to me I had misunderstood the reason for highlighting. apologies to Bobbage. I strongly agree with your comments about our youth set up and Babbage's view that the model success was largely due to a group of players being together since youth days. This is an obvious way forward for a club like ours. I put this on the forum as a possible idea to beat the FFP and for discussion. It still may be wotrth some consideration.

 

[65on]

Look at the phrase that was highlighted in bold by Bobbage when quoting from your original post.

We have a really poor youth setup. Think I'm right in saying that the gap between Earl breaking through into the first team and Best getting his chance as a first team player this season is 6 years.

A club like North End should be all over youth development if it isn't going to be spending big on transfers, but when our youth system is only pushing out a Kian Best - who, if we're honest, is dividing opinion as to whether he's cut out for this level defensively - every 6 years, then we're not in a position to focus on youth without improving the standard of the academy.

And if your owners won't invest in it, despite it not contributing to FFP costs, then what can we do?

To even things up, I would say Best hasn't really been given a chance to establish himself. Soon been discarded to give the likes of Brady another bash to earn his corn at the back end of his career. Noah Mawene and Josh Seary not getting a sniff. These players will eventually smell the coffee and move on to clubs who give youth a chance. It is not about the cost or improvement of the academy it's about utilising the assets the academy produces. We appear to utilise the assets of other clubs academies (loans) before trying our own. We don't even give ours a proper go in pre season friendlies.

 

[HunterLionheart]

To even things up, I would say Best hasn't really been given a chance to establish himself. Soon been discarded to give the likes of Brady another bash to earn his corn at the back end of his career. Noah Mawene and Josh Seary not getting a sniff. These players will eventually smell the coffee and move on to clubs who give youth a chance. It is not about the cost or improvement of the academy it's about utilising the assets the academy produces. We appear to utilise the assets of other clubs academies (loans) before trying our own. We don't even give ours a proper go in pre season friendlies.

Ours were great in pre season, in stark contrast to the seniors.

Best is barely 18. Just because he isn't ready yet doesn't mean he won't make it in future- the lad will develop, and this has been his very first taste of men's football! Ridsdale mentioned before wanting to give him a pay bump as he'd established himself in the men's squad and it will be deserved.

However the fact that so many of our prospects in recent years have been stuck at non league level since, suggests they were probably right to be released, unfortunately.

 

[Earlofcurl]

Occasionally I used to speak with the ex chairman of Bury FC. He said they had to generate circa £1m from player sales each season to survive. (20 years ago)
No surprise that when the local Premiership clubs upped their youth development that Bury foundered.

The current system perpetuates the monopoly of income for the top clubs.

The EFL could start by not allowing Youth teams in the League Cup. Got too many players on your books and their not developing- well let some of them develop elsewhere you greedy bastards.

Competing for the best youth players to come to Preston is a tough ask when there are so many other clubs offering the chance of untold glory and riches. One of the best chances we have is to show prospective young players that those who are good enough will get a chance of first team football and a contract. Again, hard to do when competing in the Championship.

 

[65on]

Ours were great in pre season, in stark contrast to the seniors.

Best is barely 18. Just because he isn't ready yet doesn't mean he won't make it in future- the lad will develop, and this has been his very first taste of men's football! Ridsdale mentioned before wanting to give him a pay bump as he'd established himself in the men's squad and it will be deserved.

However the fact that so many of our prospects in recent years have been stuck at non league level since, suggests they were probably right to be released, unfortunately.

Fair comment, however discarding players after such a short time regardless of performance must disheart them. Whilst I agree you don't chuck them in ad- hoc but at least give them a chance to establish themselves.

 

[llanroc]

I’m way behind the times with players wages, but I’ll ask this question.

Do players still get win bonuses or are they so well paid that bonuses have no effect? There is far too much money in football these days and it’s ridiculous that a young player at a PL club can be on £30k+ and still waiting to make their debut.

 

[MattPNE17]

Fair comment, however discarding players after such a short time regardless of performance must disheart them. Whilst I agree you don't chuck them in ad- hoc but at least give them a chance to establish themselves.

Players don't just sit around and do nothing in between games, hoping that the manager will randomly decide that he'll remember their name and put them in the team. They already do have a chance to establish themselves - in training, every single day.

When there are injury crises like Blackburn away last season - we could barely name a senior starting 11, had to name several youngsters on the bench and were 4-1 up - yet the manager only brought them on when we were well into injury time. Without Lowe saying a word, those actions say everything you need to know about the ability of those youth players.

Finlay Cross-Adair was the most highly-regarded of our youth players before what's happened off the pitch with him. His big loan move to get some playing time under his belt was at Annan Athletic in Scottish League One, where he notched 1 goal and 1 assist in 270 minutes of football across 5 appearances, and he failed to come off their bench twice. If he was good enough, he would have been playing here considering we were threadbare up front at a time when we had Parrott, Maguire and Evans missing, or he would at least have only dropped down to L1/L2 in this country.

We might get lucky with the odd youth player coming through and making a good impact for a spell, but for the most part our youth system isn't fit for purpose.

 

[Silverback]

Players don't just sit around and do nothing in between games, hoping that the manager will randomly decide that he'll remember their name and put them in the team. They already do have a chance to establish themselves - in training, every single day.

When there are injury crises like Blackburn away last season - we could barely name a senior starting 11, had to name several youngsters on the bench and were 4-1 up - yet the manager only brought them on when we were well into injury time. Without Lowe saying a word, those actions say everything you need to know about the ability of those youth players.

Finlay Cross-Adair was the most highly-regarded of our youth players before what's happened off the pitch with him. His big loan move to get some playing time under his belt was at Annan Athletic in Scottish League One, where he notched 1 goal and 1 assist in 270 minutes of football across 5 appearances, and he failed to come off their bench twice. If he was good enough, he would have been playing here considering we were threadbare up front at a time when we had Parrott, Maguire and Evans missing, or he would at least have only dropped down to L1/L2 in this country.

We might get lucky with the odd youth player coming through and making a good impact for a spell, but for the most part our youth system isn't fit for purpose.

Could it speak to his inability to identify talent, or stubbornness as a manager?

 

[Ando60]

Occasionally I used to speak with the ex chairman of Bury FC. He said they had to generate circa £1m from player sales each season to survive. (20 years ago)
No surprise that when the local Premiership clubs upped their youth development that Bury foundered.

The current system perpetuates the monopoly of income for the top clubs.

The EFL could start by not allowing Youth teams in the League Cup. Got too many players on your books and their not developing- well let some of them develop elsewhere you greedy bastards.

Competing for the best youth players to come to Preston is a tough ask when there are so many other clubs offering the chance of untold glory and riches. One of the best chances we have is to show prospective young players that those who are good enough will get a chance of first team football and a contract. Again, hard to do when competing in the Championship.

Neville Neville ?